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Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!
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Tim McNamara |
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Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc! |
Date: |
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:22:34 -0600 |
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tfb@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) writes:
> Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> writes:
>
>> Konrad Hinsen <konrad.hinsen@laposte.net> writes:
>>
>> > I have probably missed the start of this thread, but I am a bit
>> > surprised about it. Even the non-windowing emacs that Apple ships
>> > with MacOS X uses the option key as the meta key (they couldn't
>> > use the command key as that is used by the terminal). Nobody
>> > *has* to use ESC on a Mac.
>>
>> Apple neglected to provide a way to use the Alt/Option key as Meta
>> in their implementation of X11. You can use OroborOSX to correct
>> this, but that takes a long time to launch and is still a beta, as
>> well as adding yet another layer to the processes. On my machine,
>> creating an .Xmodmap to correct this caused the X server to crash
>> repeatedly; not sure why, I don't have enough experience with this
>> sort of thing. So I end up using ESC, and it works well enough.
>
> Hmm, I'm pretty sure I had option setup as meta at one point. But
> maybe that was with XDarwin, before apple released X11.app. Either
> way, you are aware that under X11.app, the Command key is Meta,
> right?
Not on my install (10.3.2). Command key does nothing in X11 except
run a few menu items (minimize window, close window, launch
applications, etc).
>> Kudos to Apple for building OS X over a BSD platform; however, they
>> still don't quite "get it" as far as the Unix end goes.
>
> Huh, I disagree -- I now use my Mac as something other than just a
> really pretty Unix, but that's how I treated it at first.
I guess we'll disagree on that, then. There are significant issues
with things like the linker, missing libraries and include files, dumb
installation, etc. A functioning gcc should be included with the base
distribution, not a 1+ GB add-on that also includes a bunch of crap
that is only useful for programming for Aqua, and which can't be
deleted if one wants to be able to install Apple's XCode updates-
which one pretty much has to do because of how Apple has mucked about
with BSD to make it Darwin.
It's a vast improvement over all prior Mac OSes that I've used since
1986, to be sure, and it's the only reason that I still use a Mac
(that and I'm too cheap to buy a new computer, and too busy to convert
the one I have to something more standard). It's just irritating to
have to spend hours to bring the Unix aspect of OS X up to snuff.
- OSX Meta bound to Esc!, zeppenwolf, 2004/01/10
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Phil Stripling, 2004/01/10
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Tim McNamara, 2004/01/10
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Eden Smallwood, 2004/01/14
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Christopher J. White, 2004/01/14
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Konrad Hinsen, 2004/01/15
- OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Craig A . Finseth, 2004/01/15
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Tim McNamara, 2004/01/15
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Thomas F. Burdick, 2004/01/15
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!,
Tim McNamara <=
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Thomas F. Burdick, 2004/01/16
- Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc!, Arjan Bos, 2004/01/15