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Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?
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David Kastrup |
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Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? |
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01 Oct 2003 19:39:25 +0200 |
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"Daniel B." <dsb@smart.net> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
> >
> > brakjoller@hotmail.com (Barman Brakjoller) writes:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > The contortions one has to go through in order to switch from one
> > direction of movement to another make this quite unergonomic,
>
> If you think there's a contortion between control-b and control-f
> (back and forward (left and right)), see below.
I have to hold down control with the pinky, and reach b and f with
two fingers that are in quite different bends and directions. Three
fingers being bent out of their rest position and in need of pressing
coordinated make for RSI.
> If you think there's a contortion between control-n and control-p
> (next and previous (down and up)), then what's going on with you?
> > and you have the control key locking down another finger at the
> > same time.
>
> Have you experienced the control key in its correct location (not
> where IBM-PC-style keyboards put control keys)? That will make a
> big difference.
I will still need to use my pinky for it.
> Typing Control-A is supposed to be as easy as putting your left little
> (leftmost) finger to the left of the A key and putting your left ring
> (second leftmost) finger on the A key.
We are not talking Ctrl-A, and besides, little and ring finger share
the same sheath for their sinews. Since you have to move them
independently, (CTRL down A down A up CTRL up), you have to let them
work against each other.
> > Contrast that to vi, where the keyboard bindings for movement are
> > simply _the_ thing to use.
>
> What you mean by _the_ thing to use?
No vi user with a modicum of experience will use cursor keys instead
of hjkl-Navigation.
> Modern version of vi accept arrow keys as well as traditional vi
> movement keys, don't they?
Right. For the same of beginners, mostly. Experienced vi users will
use hjkl, whereas most experiences Emacs users will escape to using
cursor keys when available.
> And what contrast is there? Emacs takes main-keyboard keystrokes as
> well as arrow keys, and so does vi now.
vi movement commands on the main keyboard are single-key, not
control-combinations. And they are all located on different fingers
of a single hand in rest position (shifted to the left by 1 key in
contrast to the 10-finger typist rest position, the only slight
awkwardness).
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
- C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Barman Brakjoller, 2003/10/01
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Noufal Ibrahim, 2003/10/01
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, David Kastrup, 2003/10/01
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Daniel B., 2003/10/01
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- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Hans-Christoph Wirth, 2003/10/02
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, David Steuber, 2003/10/07
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Daniel B., 2003/10/03
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Jim Janney, 2003/10/08
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Barry Margolin, 2003/10/09
- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, Kai Grossjohann, 2003/10/16
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- Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up?, David Steuber, 2003/10/07
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