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From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: address@hidden
Date: 13 Dec 2002 22:45:24 +0100
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Kevin Rodgers <kevin.rodgers@ihs.com> writes:

> Every message I post to gnu.emacs.help (via news.cis.dfn.de) now
> results in the attached message being mailed to me.  Am I the only
> one suffering from this?  I've sent messages to
> postmaster@crescentec.com, help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org, and
> hlin@crescentec.com asking that the user at that site be
> unsubscribed from the help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, but to no
> avail.  What else should I do?

Same here.  I checked the web page of the company and sent the web
manager listed as contact a mail too, and he said he would contact
their mail administrators (whether this will help much, I have no idea
since the respective user probably is subscribed at gnu.org and they
would have to unsubscribe him).  I think was yesterday or two days
ago, and I still get those messages.  The postmaster address seems to
be a black hole.  Perhaps you could try the same: at least there is a
human there which gets the message when people complain.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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Kevin Rodgers <kevin.rodgers@ihs.com> writes:

> Every message I post to gnu.emacs.help (via news.cis.dfn.de) now results in 
> the
> attached message being mailed to me.  Am I the only one suffering from this?
> I've sent messages to postmaster@crescentec.com, 
> help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org,
> and hlin@crescentec.com asking that the user at that site be unsubscribed from
> the help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, but to no avail.  What else should I
> do?
> 
When replying to posts you are probably also sending copies to
people's email addresses. They may not use their real address or their
address may be incorrect. That would cause those mails to bounce back.

Bijan
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Subject: Re: AUC-TeX completion fails to offer some possibilities
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>>>>> "DK" == David Kastrup <David.Kastrup@t-online.de> writes:

    > kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
        [...]
    >> Okay, okay.  I think the example was wrong.  I don't quite
    >> remember which other macros I was looking for and missed.  But
    >> I remember that I thought that this was not an unusual macro to
    >> use.  I'll post again when I stumble across the situation
    >> again.

    > Please do.  We need every improvement we can get.  Other

I've noticed that behavior before, too, and I think I can reproduce
it:

  If I create a new file and insert my skeleton-scrartcl definition,
  then AUC-TeX does not know e.g. \minisec, \headincludeon and all
  macros of the packages that are mentioned in the skeleton
  definition. 

The reason is that no style hooks are applied. After saving and
reloading the file the macros work.


-- 
Matthias
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"Bingham, Jay" <Jay.Bingham@hp.com> writes:

> In similar circumstances I have stored text in a register and
> inserted it into the buffer from the register.

I too have often found registers a welcome relief from the
complexities of the kill ring.  However, there is one oddity about
their implementation that takes some getting used to.  When you insert
the contents of a register (C-x g), point is at the beginning of the
insertion; you have to do C-x C-x to get it to the end, where it would
be after yanking from the kill ring.  Either outcome could be argued
for, but it seems perverse to do these two very similar jobs in
different ways.
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    jcf@TheWorld.com

||:  You need two out of three: altitude, airspeed, and a brain.  :||
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Matthias Rempe <mhrempe@web.de> writes:

> >>>>> "DK" == David Kastrup <David.Kastrup@t-online.de> writes:
> 
>     > kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>         [...]
>     >> Okay, okay.  I think the example was wrong.  I don't quite
>     >> remember which other macros I was looking for and missed.  But
>     >> I remember that I thought that this was not an unusual macro to
>     >> use.  I'll post again when I stumble across the situation
>     >> again.
> 
>     > Please do.  We need every improvement we can get.  Other
> 
> I've noticed that behavior before, too, and I think I can reproduce
> it:
> 
>   If I create a new file and insert my skeleton-scrartcl definition,
>   then AUC-TeX does not know e.g. \minisec, \headincludeon and all
>   macros of the packages that are mentioned in the skeleton
>   definition. 
> 
> The reason is that no style hooks are applied. After saving and
> reloading the file the macros work.

That's what C-c C-n is for.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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In many cases that could be true, I thought that it might be when I
received first hlin rejection message, but in this case it is not true.
I have sent several replies that I am certain were not sent to any
address but the mailing list and I still get that annoying message every
time I send a message to the list.  This appears to be a case of someone
who left a company, probably not on their own volition, who forgot or
did not have the opportunity to cancel their subscription to this list
before they left.  Now the company has canceled/deactivated their email
address and is notifying every one send messages to the list that the
address is not a valid address.
What needs to happen is for the administrators of this list to remove
the offending address since none of us can do that.

-_
J_)
C_)ingham
.    HP - NonStop Austin Software & Services - Software Quality
Assurance
.    Office:  2122                  Phone:  8945
. "Language is the apparel in which your thoughts parade in public.
.  Never clothe them in vulgar and shoddy attire."     -Dr. George W.
Crane-


-----Original Message-----
From: Bijan Soleymani [mailto:bijan@psq.com]=20
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:55 PM
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: hlin@crescentec.com

Kevin Rodgers <kevin.rodgers@ihs.com> writes:

> Every message I post to gnu.emacs.help (via news.cis.dfn.de) now
results in the
> attached message being mailed to me.  Am I the only one suffering from
this?
> I've sent messages to postmaster@crescentec.com,
help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org,
> and hlin@crescentec.com asking that the user at that site be
unsubscribed from
> the help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, but to no avail.  What else
should I
> do?
>=20
When replying to posts you are probably also sending copies to
people's email addresses. They may not use their real address or their
address may be incorrect. That would cause those mails to bounce back.

Bijan
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