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AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
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C.Strobl |
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AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs |
Date: |
Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:33:09 +0200 |
hello all,
because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to say some words to
the discussion with the background of an emacs beginner.
first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with ultraedit and was
quite content. then i changed my job and ultraedit wasn't available any more.
i didn't want to write a requst for buying software and so i searched with
google for an advanced open source editor which was capable of editing columns.
i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i found in
different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an old friend of open source
software i knew emacs and his history but i didn't dare until yet to use it
becaues all people i know said its so complicated and time consuming to learn
it.
next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the win32-binaries and
installed it. Looking for help i was a little bit confused about the many links
and headlines below the point Getting Help with GNU Emacs.
next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point tutorial i started to
work through and after a few hours i was ready to start. but now i was faced
with typical editing problems. for example i wanted to move a paragraph from
one point in the document to the other. in ultraedit (or notepad or proton or
...) a quite simple task: (text marking with the mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at
the first look a little bit more complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i
didn't found such an example in the emacs manual and it took quite a time to
find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty lines, search and
replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks
at least i bought the book learning ggnu emacs and after a while i read
somewhere maybe in the book maybe in the internet that its better to open every
file in the same frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with the
installation (my fault, look some emails before) i thought a way to solve it
would be to edit the .emacs-file. again i looked in the manual but i didn't
find something. i was still a beginner and i didn't know at all that the
.emacs-file and elisp has the same basics.
but i stayed stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i found a solution which
worked but i wasn't really content. so i wrote to the list and lennard helped
me out. but i wanted a list of all possible customization commands. the
solution came from drew adams (M-x customize-apropos-options RET . RET). that
was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i took a second closer look to the
manual and now i am quite sure that nearly everything about emacs i can find
there and i am sure with more experience i will use the manual more
extensively. eli is also right that many internetsites are outdated and
pointing in the wrong direction. BUT if you are a emacs-newbie, at least for
me, the manual is very confusing maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs
itself. at the first time all i had needed would be a simple document with
normal tasks:
1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows)
2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in the emacs help menu
3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like search and replace,
copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and so on. only with examples newbies can
see the possibilities of emacs
4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization
5) a glossary with the special emacs terms
6) and all that in a separat pdf-document
again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in the manual but a
newbie has great problems to find it and i am sure many potential users give up
after a few hours. the best would be this pdf-file could be downloaded with the
emacs-file an a bundle or at least at the same site.
all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but i wanted to write
it to you all because you are investing so much time for such a great project
like emacs and the only i can do now is to give you some feedback for your work
with the background of a beginner. i have installed emacs since two weeks, i
have invested a lot of time, much more time than i have ever invested for
example to learn ultraedit, but i am confident that its an investment for the
future and for me its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of
emacs. but i think it would easier to climb on the first emacs-hill with a
short introduction-document than with the emacs bible what the manual in fact
is.
thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich
christian
p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more about emacs
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii
Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10
An: Lennart Borgman
Cc: address@hidden
Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> CC: address@hidden
>
> > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer? I just saved you from
> > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-)
> >
> >
> Firefox please ;-)
Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as the default browser.
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, (continued)
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Phil Betts, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/07
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs,
C.Strobl <=
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, vincent, 2006/07/07
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/07
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/07
- Re: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/08
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Alessandro Vesely, 2006/07/10
- [h-e-w] jump hi-lock next/previous position, Pang.Ding-Hai, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11