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From: irenezerafa
Subject: Netiquette
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:47:01 +0000

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On Saturday, November 13th, 2021 at 6:46 PM, Lawrence Velázquez <> 

> On Sat, Nov 13, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> > The only effective way to keep abusive language out of the list would
> > be moderating it. However, finding someone willing to spend their time
> > on that (and dealing with the inevitable abuse directed at themselves,
> > claims of sensorship &c) would not be easy, I'm afraid.
> >
> > It could be made a bit easier by making it selective: e.g., set
> > moderation bit on for all new users and only turning it off after the
> > subscriber has sent some reasonable number of non-abusive messages.
> > (Mailman2 has a feature just for this, default_member_moderation.)
> > Or, maybe do that selectively for mail providers that have a history
> > of abusive users. (Automating this would take some effort.)
> >
> > A theoretical alternative would be an automated filtering system that
> > either rejects or flags for moderation messages that appear to contain
> > abusive language. Doing that well enough that it'd be less work than
> > simply moderating everything would not be exactly trivial, however.
> Unfortunately, the fact that our problem stems from one person makes
> it hard to argue for implementing a whole system. (Although perhaps
> we should be grateful that we largely don't need a whole system.)

> I'd like to think that we could solve this by starving the fire --
> i.e., collectively agreeing to stop engaging with the individual --
> but I don't see that happening.

Correct. It was my question and some do not like that others assist.
Yet, people like yourself are the ones bringing up the idea of Netiquette.
The same people who feel worthy enough to censor others are the same ones
that others cannot trust them to define it.

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