Re: [H-source-users] h-client maintenance

[Craig Topham]

On 6/11/22 11:16, bill-auger wrote:
> as a reminder, the last discussion there was regarding the
> client, ended with the decision to merge the h-source and
> h-client teams - i do not mind keeping them separate either; but
> that is not what we decided - i kept the client code on pagure,
> because there is no repo setup for it under the h-source
> project; and because we never decided which bug tracker to use,
> or if either project was going to remain on savannah, or be
> moved to another forge
> 
> there was a ticket opened last week, suggesting to delete the
> h-client savannah project, probably because the OP read the
> mailing list discussions - there is already a ticket for that
> with the savannah admins - it was left pending, until the
> project admin gave approval; but as far as i know, that did not
> happen either - now i see that yuchen has been made admin of the
> h-client project; and is suggesting to do the opposite, to keep
> the client code on savannah and as a separate project, and has
> assigned a new member to that team
> 
> new people wanting to join the team is great - i suggested to
> apteryx last week, to consider joining the team; but i really
> must object to these happenings without discussion
> 
> i dont remember any discussion that yuchen would be admin of the
> server project either - the only public discussion WRT project
> management was in 2019, when damien and i joined the project to
> revive it, as the only active members at the time - damien
> agreed to maintain the server, and i agreed to maintain the
> client; and antonio gave his approval on the mailing list
> 
> then last year, yuchen joined for an intern stint with the FSF,
> to help damien port the server to PHP7 - at the time, i expected
> that to be temporary, as internships usually are; and no one
> expected yuchen to have any involvement with the client, because
> the intern gig was for the server project - i did everything
> possible to the client then, to prepare it for the future; and
> had to shelve it until the server work was completed
> 
> then somehow between then and now, yuchen became the maintainer
> of both projects, without ever looking at the client code, and
> after we decided to disband the client project - i am a bit
> confused, to say the least
> 
> most of the client concerns were left undecided; and that was
> only because of the plan to merge the two projects - the
> simplest plan was always to leave the organization as it was -
> if we had not intended to merge the two projects, the website
> could have simply been changed to point people to pagure for the
> client code - i was the only one who actually needed to make any
> important decisions about the client project; yet i let it
> remain in this state of indecision, in the spirit of cooperation
> 
> in any case, there was no reason for yuchen to want to admin the
> h-client savannah project, which was decided to be closed, there
> was no reason for antonio to put a new maintainer before me, and
> that happened without discussion, contrary to what actually was
> discussed
> 
> i am the only person who has touched the h-client in 5 years, i
> am the only one who has been publicly endorsed as its
> maintainer, and i have many hours invested into it - if the
> h-client project is to remain separate, and if anyone besides
> antonio should be its admin, then clearly i should have that
> role - i am probably going to need it in order to sign and
> publish releases anyways, if the project is going to stay on
> savannah
> 
> but as the only person working on the code-base and giving
> user-support, i definitely have not consented to using savannah -
> i would prefer not to; because i can not reply to tickets by
> email - pagure has suited my purposes well for years; but i would
> be content with any forge that i do not need a web browser to
> access - if apteryx wants to join the team and do a significant
> amount of the work, then whichever forge we want to use, is still
> negotiable AFAIAC
> 
> 
Hi everybody,

Thank you Bill for providing all these details. There is a lot you are
presenting here, and I want to make sure all your points are addressed.
I will need to catch up on the conversation, but please let me know if
there is anything I can do to help.

~Craig