Re: [Gzz] Re: [ba-unrev-talk] Starting Point for Collab Tool

[Benja Fallenstein]

Tuomas Lukka wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 02:54:24PM -0800, Eric Armstrong wrote:
>
> > All in all, this is really good news. I understand that refactoring
> > puts things in a bit of flux at the moment, but the result of it all
> > will be an excellent segmentation that lets Storm get used in a
> > variety of projects. It's really rather thrilling.
>
> Very glad to hear it ;)

Me too! I gave your paper a 'diagonal read' which seemed interesting, 
but haven't found the time to think about it much, yet-- because of the 
split and all the related work going on at the moment-- but I'm glad to 
hear that Storm addresses many of the points you raised (if I understand 
you and Toni correctly).

> > I began to think that, mathematically, perhaps true collaboration in
> > the form of "global knowledge sharing" was impossible, and that
> > the best we could do would be some sort of "local cluster", within
> > which true sharing could go on.
> >
> > I look forward to the results of any thinking you guys have done on
> > this subject, or any research you've managed to find that deals with
> > it.
>
>
> Umm, this is not really true. 

[...]

> 160 bits may seem like little but when you start doing the math, you'll
> find that it's actually quite immense: 160 bits = 10^48. This is a huge number.
> There are about 10^9 people living. The earth's mass is 10^25 kg.

Thanks, Tuomas, for making the point I didn't find the time to write up 
yesterday. I'd like to add one bit, though: The top two Google hits--

http://www.google.com/search?q=number%20of%20people%20ever%20lived
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~bjmcg/story2_peple_lived.html
http://www.discover.com/ask/main57.html

--place the number of people who have ever lived at 100 billion-- 10^11.

Also, the current Storm redesign (most likely the last before we make 
the 'persistency commitment,' i.e. the commitment to provide backward 
compatibility always) will give us 160+192=352 bits of pseudo-randomness 
in Storm blocks :-)

See:
http://himalia.it.jyu.fi/gzzdoc/pegboard/simple_storm--benja/peg.gen.html

- Benja