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Re: Guix Days and FOSDEM 2021?

From: Pjotr Prins
Subject: Re: Guix Days and FOSDEM 2021?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 08:29:25 +0100
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Why don't we do an unconference. I.e. organise groups on the day
itself? Just a few invited talks by our project leaders.

Like I said, we - the devroom organizers - are happy to (help) make
this happen. Also during the day.


On Sun, Dec 06, 2020 at 07:22:40PM +0100, zimoun wrote:
> Hi Pjtor,
> On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 at 09:49, Pjotr Prins <> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 05, 2020 at 01:31:45PM +0100, zimoun wrote:
> >> On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 at 09:59, Pjotr Prins <> 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Not sure I missed something, but are we planning Guix days again for
> >> > FOSDEM? As we have a devroom too and because the events are virtual we
> >> > can potentially coordinate/integrate those days even better. 
> >> 
> >> From my point of view, redo something with Talks+Q&A seems to early.
> >> Personally, I was still digesting what I have learnt.  Well, the even
> >> had been richer than I initially thought. :-) Other said, redo an
> >> extended version of the previous format appears to me too much.
> >
> > Let me suggest this: Online FOSDEM will probably be much larger than
> > normal. It is a great opportunity to advertise our work. I think a
> > Guix day can be really good, but maybe we should do it differently
> > than the other Guix days.
> >
> > First of all, if we do it *after* the devroom so we can invite people
> > to participate! Since we have the Guix/Guile devroom on Saturday we
> > could run a Guix meeting place in parallel to FOSDEM - essentially a
> > live hacking support IRC - and the actual Guix day with talks (fringe
> > event) on Monday. The devroom organizers can help coordinate and
> > organise the Guix day. How does that sound? Tuesday we can keep open
> > for hacking.
> >
> > Also we should not do away with a great tradition :). It brings us new
> > people and the Guix days have rendered us new opportunities incl.
> > funding of Mes.
> I agree with all the arguments.  Just 2 pragmatical comments:
> 1. When launching a rocket, if it fails, it is not the same when I am
> doing it in my garden with my neighbors who I know or when I am doing
> with NASA so world watching.  The main impact is about the future
> launches.
> 2. The risk is kept under control with a lot of preparation.  It is the
> mountaineer who speaks. :-)
> Therefore, doing something on 8-9 Feb (after FOSDEM), and targeting
> something bigger than usual, we need to prepare.  It means a) who does,
> b) contact people asking them to prepare sessions etc. and c) establish
> a schedule (as) soon (as possible) qthen communicate about it.
> Even if the prepared talks are skipped for this event, then it still
> needs preparation to have fruitful discussions.
> Well, my point is: if we want a post-FOSDEM event and using the FOSDEM
> as an attractor, we have to start **right now** to prepare this event.
> And so, who volunteers?  Who is in to help?  Who lists the tasks and how
> do we synchronise?
> Otherwise, let’s do something more confidential (the 30-50 usual
> suspects) pre-FOSDEM and less prepared.  One or two weeks before, we
> synchronize.  Something as «hackathon format».
> >> However, people said as feedback that they would like more time to
> >> discuss in smaller groups about specific topic.  And since, the FossHost
> >> BBB instance is still up (I am using it for the Outreachy with Magali
> >> and Gábor ;-)), and should be up until I-do-not-know-when, we could
> >> imagine create X “rooms” with a proposed topic/schedule of each room and
> >> let’s people discuss; with the rule that notes are taken and then
> >> published at last on guix-devel, even raw.
> >
> > Great idea.
> This works for the usual 30-50 fellows already knowing bit of Guix
> internals.  It does not scale for more or newcomers, IMHO.
> >> and because of timezone, we *must* have a schedule backbone.
> Which schedule backbone?  And it should be released early enough;
> ideally on Jan. first.
> >> The only unclear point (for me) is how to deal with moderation.  For the
> >> previous, Julien, Tobias and me were accepting people to join the room,
> >> and we spent a couple of hours the day before to check how to deal with
> >> abuse, etc.  The question is: how to moderate several rooms?  Full free
> >> or which rule?
> >
> > I suggest an open house with the remit to kick people off if they
> > continue to misbehave after one warning. Most of us are well
> > intentioned and I am increasingly disliking the political correctness
> > imposed on us. Though I realise we have had some bad behaviour
> > already. They are easy to spot and deal with even if they sign on with
> > different accounts.
> Well, on this side, I will let the word to people already moderating.  I
> am a Teletubies living in world full of love so I am too biased to have
> an wise opinion. :-)
> 1: <>
> Cheers,
> simon

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