Re: groff injects blank page

[Carlos]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 02:34:27PM -0400, Carlos wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:37:29AM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> > At 2023-04-27T11:06:20-0400, Carlos wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 05:24:00PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > > mso is a request, and it is documented in groff(7) like other
> > > > requests.
> > > > 
> > > > I might have time to follow up on the rest later, but I will note
> > > > briefly that "Ignored because insecure." does not sound like
> > > > language I recognize from any groff release.  It sounds exactly like
> > > > mandoc(1) documentation--specifically the mandoc_roff(7) page.
> > > > mandoc is a separate project and groff developers have no
> > > > responsibility for it.
> > > 
> > > You're correct. Amazing
> > 
> > I can think of some other people who are amazed when I'm right...
> > 
> > [snip]
> > > and mandoc is also the formatting part of groff
> > 
> > No.  It is a completely independent software project with only slightly
> > overlapping goals.
> > 
> > > or else running groff would be useless,
> > 
> > I suppose some mandoc(1) advocates regard groff as useless if they never
> > have any need for typesetting.  Or they use a TeX distribution, or
> > Lout...or FrameMaker...
> > 
> > > am I wrong? correct me if so.  I'm a bit tired. 
> > 
> > The history of typesetting software on Unix is lengthy.  When groff
> > 1.23.0 is released, a history I thoroughly revised and updated will be
> > available in the roff(7) man page.
> > 
> > > And on groff(7) 
> > > 
> > >        .mso file The same as .so except that file is searched in the tmac
> > >                  directories.
> > > 
> > > and therein lies the problem without a kludge
> > > .mso never loads man.local producing the unwanted blank page
> > > .mso never loads man.local producing the unwanted blank page
> > > , .do does instead on 1.22.4 without injecting that blank page
> > 
> > I don't understand your complaint.  Also, do you mean ".do" or ".so"?
> > Each is a distinctly meaningful request to groff(1).
> 
> No complaint except a blank page for no reason 
> 
> It'd be a «.do», «.so» can't interpret anything let alone finding
> man.local. 
> 
>        .so filename
>                  Include source file.
>        .mso file The same as .so except that file is searched in the tmac
>                  directories.
> 
> > 
> > Did you ever grep your man.local file for blank lines as I suggested?
> 
> I guess you'd be right but that's clearly a tangent where the problem lies
> 
> So let's make sure that man.local is not shipped out with a newline. 
> I checked 1.23 and it's not there. 
> 
> I just checked it and is not there.
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Branden
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 

Sorry Branden. I wouldn't be able to fathom at the remote idea to make
sure that a newline is nowhere to be found on man.local. Let alone
I wouldn't be able to grasp at this most ridoncoluous idea to
document such behavior. It's just embarrassing. 

Thank you again. 


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