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Re: [Groff] Eric Raymond on groff and TeX

From: Peter Schaffter
Subject: Re: [Groff] Eric Raymond on groff and TeX
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:57:27 -0400
User-agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)

On Thu, May 03, 2012, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote:
> > I think esr is emphasizing (!) that in a structural-markup
> > language the tags can have no typographic meaning whatsoever.  
> Correct.  What Anton was considering unfair is the implication
> that troff only does presentational markup

Which is patently untrue.  Using mom macros and HTML as an example:

.HEAD "Foo        <h1>Foo</h1>
.PP               <p>
Lorem ipsum...    Lorem ipsum...
.SUBHEAD "Bar     <h2>Bar</h2>
.PP               <p>
Lorem ipsum...    Lorem ipsum...
.LIST             <ul>
.ITEM             <li>
Item one          Item one</li>
.ITEM             <li>
Item two          Item two</li>
.LIST off         </ul>
.SUBSUBHEAD "Baz" <h3>Baz</h3>
.PP               <p>
Lorem ipsum...    Lorem ipsum...

> I think the idea is to stop thinking of troff and TeX as
> presentation-markup languages.  They're more universal.

Indeed, and therein lies their usefulness: superb typographic
control when you need it, and clear structural markup when that's
what's called for.
Peter Schaffter

Author of The Binbrook Caucus

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