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Re: [Groff] double acute

From: Miklos Somogyi
Subject: Re: [Groff] double acute
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:18:51 +1100


This is so much more than what I expected, thank you very-very much.
And your Hungarian is pretty good. Do you have a Hungarian wife?
Have you spent some time in the country?

I'll talk to you re -me, it could be that I don't have the right version, but I need to check on it



On 26/01/2009, at 00:50 AM, (Ted Harding) wrote:

Hi Miklos,

On 25-Jan-09 11:47:03, Miklos Somogyi wrote:
Ted, thanks for the ideas. I've been using -me since time immemorial.

We all have our favourite macro workhorse! (Mine, as you can guess,
is -ms, but I have also made a lot of extensions to it in a private
macro package "-mted" -> tmac.ted).

I've tried overstriking twice but it got messy and did not work.
Finally I did some rudimentary stuff with horizontal and vertical
motion. Took a lot of fiddling with distances.

I think the macros ".acc*over-def" etc. defined in ms-macros look
after all that "motion" stuff nicely. I've have had a quick look
at the "me" macros, and I don't think there are any conflicts.
See below.

Thank you for your suggestions, I'll look into them. Perhaps I'll
need to switch from -me to something else, 'casue layout and
especially footnote don't work very well.

Do you mean general layout and footnotes in the "me" macros?


Below is some text which I have formatted using

 groff -Tps -me >

The resulting PS file is attached as

By the way -- I realised later that my choice of "köszönöm" was
a bad example: it is one of the few Hungarian words that came
into my head while I was working on your query, and I erroneously
(on the basis of pronunciation) assumed that it had "double acute"
instead of ordinary umlaut. I've made a more carefully selected
choice this time!

Here goes. The macro "acc*over-def" is as defined in s.tmac,
where there also definitions of related macros "acc*under-def",
"acc*slash-def" and "acc*prefix-def".

Accented characters are defined as "special" characters using
the ".char" request -- the objective is to provide a uniform
and clearly mnemonic schema for entering them into troff source.

In the file "" below I have included only such definitions
as are needed for the text (plus on or two related ones); they are
a small subset of what I have in my "private" macro file "tmac.ted".

The groff command is

 groff -Tps -me >

and there does not seem to be any interference between the definitions
below and anything else in e.tmac

Hoping this helps!,

.\"----- file: ------------------------------
.de acc*over-def
.ds \\$1 \Z'\v'(u;\w'x'*0+\En[rst]-\En[.cht])'\
.acc*over-def ' \'
.acc*over-def : \(ad
.acc*over-def ; \(a"
.char \[a'] a\*'
.char \[e'] e\*'
.char \[i'] \[.i]\*'
.char \[o'] o\*'
.char \[o:] o\*:
.char \[u'] u\*'
.char \[u:] u\*:
.char \[O:] O\*:
.char \[o=] o\*;
.char \[O=] O\*;
.char \[u=] u\*;
.char \[U=] U\*;

.vs 18
.vs 18p
\s[15]Budapest \[O:]szt\[o:]nd\[i']j Program\s0
.vs 18p
\s[15]Budapest F\[o=]v\[a']ros
F\[o=]polg\[a']rmesteri Hivatala Budapest
\[O:]szt\[o:]nd\[i']j Program keret\[e']ben
p\[a']ly\[a']zatot hirdet els\[o=] diplom\[a']s
fels\[o=]fok\[u'] k\[e']pz\[e']sben
r\[e']sztvev\[o=] nappali tagozatos,
2009. szeptember\[e']t\[o=]l utols\[o']
tanulm\[a']nyi \[e']v\[u:]ket megkezd\[o=]
hallgat\[o']k sz\[a']m\[a']ra.\s0

.\"----- end of file: -----------------------

On 25/01/2009, at 04:09 AM, (Ted Harding) wrote:

On 24-Jan-09 16:17:05, Miklos Somogyi wrote:
Hi folks,

How would you produce o O u U with double acute signs on top?

Hi Miklos,
If you aree using MS macros, then extended accent-marks can be
activated by invoking macro ".AM". Then you can define the
"hungarian umlaut" in the following way:

.acc*over-def ; \(a"

after which you can get the "double acute accent" by appending "\*;"
to the letter, as in


(and similar for u and U with the accent).

If you are not using ms macros, then you should be able to achieve
the same effect by including the revelant definitions from s.tmac:

.de acc*over-def
.ds \\$1 \Z'\v'(u;\w'x'*0+\En[rst]-\En[.cht])'\
.acc*over-def ; \(a"

after which you can proceed as above. Other macro packages may have
similar provision.

See s.tmac for the full repertoire of extended accent functionality.

Hoping this helps,

E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <address@hidden>
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