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Re: [Groff] groff mailman problems

From: Ted Harding
Subject: Re: [Groff] groff mailman problems
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:55:37 +0100 (BST)

Thanks very much for your response. I understand and agree with what
you say (indeed, have been aware of what you say for some time!).

However, what triggered my mail to the list on this occasion was
Werner's statement that some of these messages (preumably to
mailman itself) have had the effect of changing individual users'
mail status (i.e. setting it to "nomail").

This struck me as "targetted", which is why I raised the issue.

Best wishes,

On 25-Jun-04 address@hidden wrote:
>>>>>> "Ted" == (Ted Harding) <address@hidden> writes:
>     Ted> So -- and I don't like appearing to be paranoid -- I am
>     Ted> beginning to wonder more stribgly than before whether there
>     Ted> is a deliberate attempt on the part of someone out there to
>     Ted> sabotage either the groff list or some of its members. Or to
>     Ted> sabotage groff itself.
> I can understand why you might feel that way. Especially since your
> email address is on much of the virus/spam crap that ends up on the
> list. This must be annoying and frustrating. However it's stretching
> things to suggest there might be a conspiracy at work. For starters,
> who stands to gain if groff or the mailing list gets sabotaged? It
> can't be the TeX people: Knuth stopped using email years ago. :-)
> There's a much simpler explanation. Spambots and email worms/viruses
> harvest addresses from mailing lists and newsgroups. So people who
> post more frequently tend to be targetted. There's usually no Grand
> Design at work. As a general rule spammers are too stupid to be that
> discriminating. Though some make an exception when it comes to
> attacking those who provide anti-spam defences.
> For the groff list, these difficulties are compounded by the poor
> anti-spam measures in place on the mail server. Most of the crap that
> gets sent has a distinctive signature that should be easily identified
> and filtered out. Since this is beyond what can offer, we
> have to put up with the unwanted traffic until the list can get moved
> somewhere else. Sigh. We wouldn't be having this conversation -- or
> any spam on the list -- if the mail server used something like
> SpamAssassin. That would also put an end to your conspiracy theories.

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Date: 25-Jun-04                                       Time: 14:55:37
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