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Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:40:29 +0100
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"amicus_curious" <> writes:

> "David Kastrup" <> wrote in message
> 85k58d226h.fsf@lola.goethe.zz">news:85k58d226h.fsf@lola.goethe.zz...
>> "amicus_curious" <> writes:
>>> "David Kastrup" <> wrote in message
>>> 85ocxrkkfj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz">news:85ocxrkkfj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz...
>>>> Try reading the GPL sometime.
>>> Well, is it valid?
>> That's entirely the choice of the recipient.  If he considers it
>> invalid, he does not have a license, and has to behave accordingly.  If
>> he considers it valid, he has a license granted under terms.  As long as
>> he heeds the terms, there is nothing to fear for him.
> Well, that is your opinion certainly, but it begs the question.  Is
> there any requirment to honor a copyright asserted for something that
> has no commercial value?  Is such a copyright valid at all?

Certainly.  I can't break into a house and steal arbitrary things
without commercial value.  Ownership is not dependent on monetary

> It is much easier to see that source for something that has commercial
> value, say Windows itself, is a protected work since the value is not
> disputed.  But if it, like Linux, is not sold for a profit

Huh?  How do you suppose RedHat is making a living?

> and, worse, the only people making money from it are those who are
> being paid to make it work for some client, it is not so clear.

Nonsense.  Copyright is attached to a work, not to its price tag.

>>> In any case, if the author chooses to give it away gratis, then the
>>> option of charging for it is no longer applicable.
>> Huh?  If I compose and sing a lullaby to a child of mine, I no longer
>> have the option for charging someone else if he desires a performance
>> or a copy of the composition?
>> How confused are you?
> Not as confused as yourself, certainly.  Your singing a lullaby is
> almost certainly without value and would not be much of an artistic
> "work" and might not qualify as subject to copyright.

Nonsense.  If it is worth repeating for someone, it would certainly
qualify.  If it isn't, the question does not arise, so there is no point
in denying it its state.

> But regardless, your singing it doesn't "fix it in a medium"

I can write it down.

> and so if you want to make a recording and sell it, you can still
> charge, although, as I believe, no one will be found willing to pay
> for a copy.

It doesn't matter.  If nobody is willing to pay for a copy, that still
does not entitle anybody to disregard copyright and make a copy without
asking me.

> If all you do is sing again, that is up to the person hiring you.  You
> would be well advised to get your payment in advance, I would think.

I hope you are being paid in advance for your postings.

David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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