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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro
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Ludovic Courtès |
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro |
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Sat, 14 Sep 2013 14:57:19 +0200 |
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address@hidden (Karl Berry) skribis:
> So, do we want ‘guix build --source’ to return the already-patched,
> FSDG-compliant source?
>
> It should return exactly the sources which actually got built -- which I
> gather, though I'm not sure, is not necessarily the same as "unmodified
> upstream"? Or rather, the most natural way for people to get sources
> (e.g., using the same "channel" as the binaries they got) should result
> in them getting the sources that got built to make those binaries.
I agree that the current behavior of ‘guix build --source’ is
unsatisfying.
That it currently returns the unmodified upstream tarball is more a
consequence of how things are implemented: during the build process,
after the tarball is unpacked, a ‘patch’ phase is run (this is where
distro-specific, fixes, and freedom-related changes are made.)
‘guix build --source’ should be changed to return the result of applying
that ‘patch’ phase to the upstream tarball. WDYT?
> That's the whole requirement of distributing the binaries under the GPL,
> after all. Not related to FSDG specifically. I know you know this, so
> I'm rather puzzled by what's going on.
As I explained during my GHM talk, Guix furthers the spirit of the GPL
in that it provides the /complete/ build recipe that led to the
binary–“complete” means that it includes build scripts, patches,
compilers, libraries, etc., recursively.
When users do ‘guix package --list-available’, they are given the file
name of the recipe, which allows them to check precisely how things are
patched and built.
So I think the issue is really about how things are presented to the
user. Part of the issue probably comes from the fact that Guix works
differently than binary-only distros.
Thanks for your feedback!
Ludo’.
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, (continued)
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Ludovic Courtès, 2013/09/13
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Jason Self, 2013/09/13
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Ludovic Courtès, 2013/09/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Sam Geeraerts, 2013/09/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Ludovic Courtès, 2013/09/16
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Jason Self, 2013/09/16
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Karl Berry, 2013/09/16
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Jason Self, 2013/09/14
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Ludovic Courtès, 2013/09/16
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Karl Berry, 2013/09/13
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro,
Ludovic Courtès <=
- Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro, Karl Berry, 2013/09/14