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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Status of google chrome and chromium
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jaromil |
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Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Status of google chrome and chromium |
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Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:05:18 +0100 |
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hi,
A.J.! very much agreeing on all your line. just few additions:
On Thu, Jan 07, 2010 at 02:35:52PM +0200, A.J. Venter wrote:
> If Iron had been forked for because chromium didn't WANT privacy
> patches that would be a different matter,
yes. and not having those patches documented is a dead end.
funny i was so naively enthusiastic about Iron at a first look, but
well just consider that - due to all the distrust I generally nurture
about corporations - I've never tried Chrome before that.
<OT>
i'm now so happy to get out of Firefox kludge ! ! !
(was even using links2 and elinks before..
links2 is still a great project BTW, those Hungarians deserve more)
</OT>
> That being said, I agree that private mode should not be a "select"
> option, it should be a default which those users who so desire can
> opt out of. Presumably some people trust google (or any other
> corporation for that matter) more than we do, I don't think we
> should deny google the right to let people send them information -
> that would amount to censorship on our part, but I do believe
> harvesting it should require EXPLICITE consent.
as of now browsing on Chrome: I notice that every time there is such a
possibility the browser asks if you like to share information with
Google. It's a little check button, even hard to hit. i'm fine with
that, still (old issue) i'm not so fine with all the cookie mess going
on already since long (which Firefox didn't made much
better)... that's a practical reason why Incognito should be default.
> So a patch to make incognito the default and have the option to
> disable it in the settings may well be accepted (possibly with a
> dialog to ask permission to disable it during the initial setup
> wizard, gray area but one I can live with - thoughts ?) For
> kongoni, because do source based ports, we could probably apply a
> patch like that at install time for the users without chromiums
> explicite agreement - but it would be better to have it in upstream
> in the first place.
I'm still on the task of understanding more about Chrome extensions,
however now it comes to me in mind that this can just be a simple
extension: shared as such and included by default in our
distributions.
surely we are more familiar with autoconf switches, still having this
change made at runtime and by including a file in a directory sounds
much easier and doesn't even needs to deal with upstream (eheh, sorry
for being such an atheist...)
> It's worth noting a major movement within google that aims
> specifically to address the problems RMS has pointed out with cloud
> computing and ensure their web apps are not problematic for users in
> these ways (for example requiring all google web-apps to have the
> capacity to easily export your data to a format you can easily use
> offline or take to another provider), that keeps track of the
> progress of various google projects on these matters.
that's great to know!!
We have also petted this argument within the Free Culture Forum, a
recent initiative held in Barcelona a few months ago (RMS virtually
present), calling it "Migration Rights" - be it that we are very
affected by such issues IRL as migrants.
Digital migration rights is just one among many issues now included in
a FCF Charter that is also endorsed by the Brasilian ministry of
culture, among the others. circulate it, join it and use it if you
like http://fcforum.net
in case there are suggestions / comments / criticism / additions i can
play liaison to the current FCF editors
> It's important to criticize the non-free status of popular
> applications like picasa (or for that matter, their web apps) but
> it's also important to recognize where the work they do benefits and
> supports us - that is, after all, how we create motivation for them
> to benefit and support us more.
right on!
ciao
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