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Leaving Freenode behind

From: Christopher Dimech
Subject: Leaving Freenode behind
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:26:54 +0200

> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 9:03 AM
> From: "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: "Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind
> * Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> [2021-06-23 23:13]:
> > You are correct.  It is not about non-profits disliking business.
> > It is about those people who only value non-profit.
> I don't know such people. 

We have different experiences.
> What I know from experience is that non-profit organizations always
> work hand in hand with profit organizations. Especially for the reason
> that money usually comes from one to other and each party
> benefits. Non-profit gets the money or other values and profit one
> gets tax deductions. That is how it is in Germany and US and other
> countries. Condition is that non-profit is recognized by tax
> authorities as having public interest.

That's how things should be.  I am not interested in non-profit myself.
> > It’s not hard to start a nonprofit. The barriers to entry is pretty
> > low.  It costs a few hundred dollars and a few hours. But then what?
> > Running a nonprofit and growing it to a size where it can effectively
> > serve something takes resources. 
> Of course, I should know that as being a corporate service provider
> for last 19 years. Though in Germay it is considerably harder, but we
> do it even remotely. They use the middle ages notary system with few
> other countries in Europe.

Never worked seriously is Germany myself.
> If anybody considers donating to non-profit one should consider maybe
> doing a direct contribution to social aspect. Often it will be more
> valuable.
> There are those which distribute majority of values for non-profit
> purposes:
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/20-incredible-charities-that-give-99-of-the-money-they-get-to-the-actual-cause-2017-12-28
> Then there are those which distribute just 30% - 40% for non-profit
> purposes:
> https://moneyinc.com/worst-charities-you-shouldnt-be-donating-to/
> So that is what I tell you, while non-profit is designated
> "non-profit" in many sectors of its activities they may be actually
> profit organization. IRS would ask for taxes for any activity that is
> not charity activity. For any income to its directors beyond or within
> charity activities they anyway have to pay taxes. You see? It is just
> that purpose is different. Profits are there. When we say "non-profit"
> it only points out to structure of the organization, to its main
> purposes. But profits are there and should be, that is in other
> context. Charity has to make money somehow. 

Hat off to that.
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