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Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode
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Karl Voit |
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Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode |
Date: |
Mon, 29 Nov 2021 14:19:10 +0100 |
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Hi Tim,
* Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karl,
>
> while I can appreciate the point you are making, I'm doubtful your
> suggestion will gain the traction necessary to work.
You might be right. Only time will tell. ;-)
> To me, it feels a little like the frequent posts from RMS in the
> emacs-devel list where he gets upset when people refer to Linux
> instead of GNU Linux.
I disagree here.
Linux vs. GNU/Linux are two different names for the same thing.
Org-mode is an Elisp implementation and Orgdown is just a syntax
definition. So they are completely different things.
> To some extent, the distinction will be too subtle for many and
> often, it isn't clear whether an issue is a syntax definition
> (orgdown) or an implementation bug or just simply user
> misunderstanding.
It seems to be the case that the name "Orgdown" is the reason why
the Org-mode community does not support the idea of an
implementation-agnostic definition of the syntax. Which is ... kinda
funny if you think about it.
Well if the project is not working out, at least I made my point and
we continue to have all those misunderstandings and lack of Orgdown
support in 3rd party tools (because Org-mode is way too big).
> Perhaps we just need a name for the markup syntax which doesn't actually
> reference 'org' at all - it simply is the markup syntax which org
> happens to use. A completely separate name might avoid confusion and
> would make it very clear that the markup syntax is not org mode. Problem
> is, naming is terribly difficult and I have no suggestions on what would
> be a good name.
Oh, there is a very large danger here of getting something that is
not compatible with Org-mode any more. I don't think that this would
be a good thing. At least the different flavors killed the fun of
Markdown for me.
> I have not yet viewed your video, but will certainly be doing so. Again,
> agree with the sentiment of what your trying to do, just not convinced
> it is compatible with basic human nature.
Maybe we need to differ between the Org-mode community with
potential bias and the main target group of people who did use
Markdown in the past and never have heard of Org-mode before?
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- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, (continued)
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Joost Kremers, 2021/11/28
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, George Mauer, 2021/11/28
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Juan Manuel Macías, 2021/11/28
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide, 2021/11/29
Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Marcin Borkowski, 2021/11/29
Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Tim Cross, 2021/11/28
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode,
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- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Matt Price, 2021/11/29
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, M . ‘quintus’ Gülker, 2021/11/29
- Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Marcin Borkowski, 2021/11/30
- Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode), Karl Voit, 2021/11/30
- Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode), Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide, 2021/11/30
- Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode), Eduardo Ochs, 2021/11/30
- Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode), Tom Gillespie, 2021/11/30
- Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis (was: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode), Tim Cross, 2021/11/30
- Re: Orgdown: negative feedback & attempt of a root-cause analysis, Juan Manuel Macías, 2021/11/30
Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode, Jim Porter, 2021/11/28