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Re: [O] Outline cycling does not preserve point's position

From: Carsten Dominik
Subject: Re: [O] Outline cycling does not preserve point's position
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:47:40 +0200

On 9.9.2013, at 17:41, Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <address@hidden> writes:
>> It is extremely predictable if you know about the structure of an Org
>> document and if you think in elements.
> It's a Sexp motion.
>> It is unexpected for a user who is used to C-arrow doing paragraph
>> motion. In Org, org-backward-element climbs out if a hierarchy. This
>> is not what happens in other modes with this command. That is what
>> I mean with unexpected.
> OK. Do you want it to return an error if there's no element at the same
> level above (or below for the forward counterpart)?

No, I guess not.  Lets just leave it the way it is, but implement
alternative behavior in source code blocks.  I agree with the arguments you 
make below.

Thank you.

- Carsten

>> Don't get me wrong. I love the element motion stuff. But I am
>> satisfied for it to be available on M-{ and M-}.
>> I like your proposal to introduce a variable for special src behavior.
>> I personally would also like a variable that allows me to keep the
>> paragraph commands on C-arrow (because I have almost equally
>> convenient bindings with M-{}) - but maybe that is just me?
> But `org-forward-element'/`org-backward-element' are the paragraph
> commands for Org. Unlike to Text mode, contents in Org have a depth. So
> it's not just about stopping at blank lines. Even stopping at blank
> lines is not satisfying:
>  XParagraph
>  | a | table |
>  Another paragraph
> A decent forward paragraph command should stop at the table here. On the
> other hand, it doesn't make much sense to stop at the blank line below:
>  X#+begin_src emacs-lisp
>  ;; line 1
>  ;; line 2
>  #+end_src
>  Another paragraph
> When depth isn't involved, I think that `org-forward-element' is as good
> as it can get as a paragraph motion command, and far better than
> `forward-paragraph' from "paragraphs.el".
> Regards,
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou

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