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Re: Suggested experimental test
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Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Suggested experimental test |
Date: |
Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:37:03 +0200 |
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:15:26 +0000
> From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
> cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> I see your points, but all this is rather sad, because it means that Emacs
> is forever locked by what looks very much like a historical accident.
I disagree, on both counts: Emacs isn't locked, and what we have is
not an accident. The utmost easiness with which users can change the
key bindings means there isn't, and can never be, a lockdown.
> I'm not sure if the above ("this is not our problem") is your opinion, or
> if you just present a possible viewpoint you do not necessarily share.
Does it matter?
> Just type emacs -Q, M-x list-packages RET, RET. The package you now see
> ('ace-window') asks you to fiddle with your init file by adding a
> 'global-set-key' to it. The second package in the list ('ack') does the
> same. And so forth. That's not a problem for you and me, it is a problem
> for newcomers, and these 'global-set-key's should be done automatically,
> during the installation process. Do you know any other software that asks
> you to change a configuration file manually to use an extension package?
I disagree that it's a problem. Customizing key bindings is an
integral part of using Emacs wisely and efficiently, and the sooner
newcomers learn that the better. Emacs is unlike many other editors
in this regard.
> As the author of Magit wrote when he added the "C-x g" global binding:
>
> "Some [...] beginners will initially have a low threshold for things not
> working out of the box and I don't want to (continue to) scare them off by
> immediately forcing them to learn how to add key bindings and what that
> even means. There's a lot of talk about making Emacs friendlier for
> beginners and this is a small step in that direction." [1]
>
> [1] https://github.com/magit/magit/pull/4237#issuecomment-723495053
I can only say I disagree, with all due respect to Magit and its
authors. Trying to make everybody happy with the default Emacs key
bindings is a dead end. Trying to solve that unsolvable problem is a
waste of energy.
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