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Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28
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Thibaut Verron |
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Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28 |
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Mon, 14 Sep 2020 16:53:07 +0200 |
Le lun. 14 sept. 2020 à 16:35, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:15:40 +0200, Thibaut Verron
> >>>>> <thibaut.verron@gmail.com> said:
>
> Thibaut> Le lun. 14 sept. 2020 à 13:54, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
> >> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:53:28 +0200, Thibaut Verron <
> >> thibaut.verron@gmail.com> said:
> >> >>
> >> >> We could set 'kill-buffer-hook' to a querying function in buffers
> >> >> created via the toolbar.
> >> >>
> >>
> Thibaut> There is already a (buffer-local) variable buffer-offer-save
> >> which, set to
> Thibaut> 'always, causes save-some-buffers to query for save the
> >> corresponding
> Thibaut> buffer, if non-empty.
> >>
> >> Right, but toolbar-save doesnʼt run save-some-buffers. That could be
> >> added, but it seems people feel toolbar space is precious (here the
> >> default toolbar uses slightly more than 50% of the available width
> >> when running -Q)
> >>
>
> Thibaut> The save button runs save-buffer, so it should DTRT already, no?
>
> Sorry, yes. The 'new' button forces you to choose a filename for the
> buffer, so saving it works (that will teach me to talk about features
> I donʼt use)
I think that you missed a message in the long thread.
To clarify, currently, the "new" button is "find-file", so it does
expect a file name and a path.
The suggestion is to maybe replace it with a function creating an
anonymous buffer, leaving the choice of a path (if necessary) to the
point of saving.
In essence, something like
> (defun my/new-buffer ()
> (interactive)
> (let ((buffer (generate-new-buffer "*unnamed*")))
> (pop-to-buffer buffer)
> (setq buffer-offer-save 'always)))
Save-buffer should still work as expected, just as if you were calling
it from a normal non-file buffer, and so should save-some-buffers and
the like.
But kill-buffer will not offer to save, as of now, as you pointed out.
>
> Thibaut> Restoring them as-is is what notepad++ does (or did when I last
> used it
> Thibaut> 10 years ago). I personally did not like this behavior, and I
> didn't have
> Thibaut> remotely as many open files in notepad++ as I do in a typical
> emacs session.
>
> Itʼs a behaviour thatʼs become strongly expected, mainly because
> people have become conditioned to 'restart where I left off' behaviour
> from web browsers, I suspect.
There are packages going in that direction, if you are interested, but
it is really a complicated matter. Anonymous user-generated buffers
are not the biggest problem there. Web-browsers can just reload the
content of most of their "buffers", that's a luxury emacs does not
have.
> The toolbar does not let you create such buffers (I thought it did,
> but it doesnʼt).
That illustrates how confusing the current situation is, I believe. :)
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, (continued)
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/09/11
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Thibaut Verron, 2020/09/11
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/09/11
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Thibaut Verron, 2020/09/11
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/09/11
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Robert Pluim, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Thibaut Verron, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Robert Pluim, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Thibaut Verron, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28, Robert Pluim, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28,
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- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28, Robert Pluim, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28, Thibaut Verron, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Re: Changes for emacs 28, tomas, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Stefan Monnier, 2020/09/14
- Re: Changes for emacs 28, Andreas Schwab, 2020/09/14
Re: Changes for emacs 28, Eli Zaretskii, 2020/09/11