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Re: IDE
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David Kastrup |
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Re: IDE |
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Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:07:50 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> writes:
>> From: "John Wiegley" <address@hidden>
>> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:31:13 -0700
>>
>> To reiterate: I think Emacs becomes more of an IDE when it provides
>> the backbone of an IDE, and not when it looks like one.
>
> I don't think this will fly. In effect, you are telling Emacs users
> they will have to code their own IDE by using the infrastructure
> (a.k.a. "backbone") that we provide.
I don't see that. He is telling Emacs developers they'll be able to
rely on common infrastructure for creating an IDE catered to some
particular language/system.
If we are talking about smart completion and debugging support for
languages compiled with GCC, this could mean a lot of things working out
of the box (source-level debugging with expression
evaluation/inspection, syntactic indentation, jumping by statements or
other logical units, semantic information and completion etc etc) before
you even know the language we are talking about.
> To me, an IDE is not a set of functionalities. It's a coherent
> application that provides an IDE-like look-and-feel, and all the
> related functions already integrated and ready for me to be used.
Without a uniform framework to create such IDEs, no uniformly usable IDE
for different languages will fall out.
> We cannot provide a toolbox and tell users make your own IDE from
> these tools.
It wouldn't be the task of the users to create those.
> Integrating those tools together is a non-trivial task a user should
> not be expected to perform.
Forcing every developer to redo it from scratch will lead to very spotty
and inconsistent support of languages.
--
David Kastrup
- Re: IDE, (continued)
- Re: IDE, John Wiegley, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, David Kastrup, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, David Kastrup, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/10/10
- RE: IDE, Drew Adams, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, David Kastrup, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, John Wiegley, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Richard Stallman, 2015/10/11
- Re: IDE, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE,
David Kastrup <=
- Re: IDE, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, John Wiegley, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Dmitry Gutov, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Daniel Colascione, 2015/10/10
- Re: IDE, Andreas Röhler, 2015/10/11
- Re: IDE, Steinar Bang, 2015/10/12
- Re: IDE, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/10/12
- Re: IDE, David Kastrup, 2015/10/12
- Re: IDE, Richard Stallman, 2015/10/13
- Re: IDE, Steinar Bang, 2015/10/14