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Re: Integrating package.el
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Ted Zlatanov |
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Re: Integrating package.el |
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Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:18:27 -0600 |
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:47:46 -0500 Stefan Monnier <address@hidden> wrote:
>> The "package file" (analogous to a RPM/DEB package fike) should contain
>> the real, final version of all the files. The package repository may
>> accumulate metadata about all the package files it contains, but I
>> should be able to copy a single package file to another system and
>> install it. As a sysadmin I don't want package files to be
>> indeterminate. For instance, how can I set up a local mirror if some of
>> the files inside some of the package files are possibly remote? There's
>> all the other security risks I listed in my previous note, too,
>> concerning remote network access.
>> This is a huge sysadmin problem with Perl for instance, where the
>> liberal packaging standard and complicated build process make it hard to
>> synchronize packages across multiple installations. I've suffered
>> through that many times and hope it doesn't recur with Emacs packages.
>> Some OS integration (DEB, RPM, MacOS X, etc.) would be useful, at least
>> as a possibility.
SM> OK, I'm not sure whether we're talking about the same things.
I digressed too much, sorry.
SM> The way I see it, there will be the following elements:
SM> - a (set of) Bzr repository holding the package sources.
Yes, with initial members "FSF supported," "FSF unsupported" (both
hosted inside the Emacs Bzr repo) and "ELPA" (hosted externally, may not
be a Bazaar repository at all). This is the storage backend. The "FSF
supported" storage may be the lisp/ directory inside Emacs, for
instance.
SM> - a tool that will build tarballs from those sources.
Yes, including the necessary package metadata inside the file. This
tool will probably come from ELPA.
SM> - an area where those tarballs are stored, along with some metadata
SM> (think Debian repository).
All of this is MHO: there should be three areas to parallel the storage
backends above. They may be stored inside the backend or externally.
The package repositories should be identified by a single URL; the ones
that come with Emacs should point to a secure Savannah URL. That may
address RMS' concerns about loading software over the network. Jonas'
emacsmirror.org would be a fourth package repository, probably not
enabled by default but easy to enable.
SM> - a tool that can scan such repositories and downlooad packages from
SM> them, obeying dependencies (think APT).
This is package.el IIUC.
SM> - a tool that can install/activate/uninstall a given package, ... (think
SM> DPKG). This last one is what I tried to write when I wrote install.el
SM> many moons ago.
This is also package.el IIUC.
Ted
- Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo, Tom Tromey, 2010/01/01
- Integrating package.el (was Re: unsupported packages area in the Emacs repo), Phil Hagelberg, 2010/01/03
- Re: Integrating package.el, Ted Zlatanov, 2010/01/04
- Re: Integrating package.el, Tom Tromey, 2010/01/04
- Re: Integrating package.el, Phil Hagelberg, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el, Lennart Borgman, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el, Stefan Monnier, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el, Ted Zlatanov, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el, Stefan Monnier, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el,
Ted Zlatanov <=
- Re: Integrating package.el, Jonas Bernoulli, 2010/01/05
- Re: Integrating package.el, Richard Stallman, 2010/01/06
- Re: Integrating package.el, Ted Zlatanov, 2010/01/06
- Re: Integrating package.el, Phil Hagelberg, 2010/01/09
- Re: Integrating package.el, Richard Stallman, 2010/01/09
- Re: Integrating package.el, Phil Hagelberg, 2010/01/09
- Re: Integrating package.el, Richard Stallman, 2010/01/10
- Re: Integrating package.el, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2010/01/10
- Re: Integrating package.el, Chong Yidong, 2010/01/10
- Re: Integrating package.el, joakim, 2010/01/10