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RE: New start up splash screen annoyance...
From: |
Drew Adams |
Subject: |
RE: New start up splash screen annoyance... |
Date: |
Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:59:45 -0700 |
> >> ! " For this window of the frame:
> >> ! mouse-1: select (drag to resize), mouse-2: maximize,
> >> mouse-3: vanish")
> >>
> >> "delete" would be better than "vanish".
> >>
> >> Aside from that, do people like it?
> >
> > Not I. There is rarely any need for a tooltip to use more than one
> > line. And this case certainly doesn't require it.
>
> Compare the one-line and the two-line version. The latter version is
> quite narrower, and the _length_, not the height of the tooltip is
> more disturbing here, in my opinion.
Does "here" refer to the "latter", which presumably refers to the two-line
version? Are you saying that you prefer the one-line version?
We should try to keep tooltips short. If a lot really needs to be said, for
some reason, then that is an indication of a UI design problem. Let's not
try to make a tooltip do more than it is designed for; it is not a
replacement for doc.
If this particular line is too long, then we can shorten it.
mouse: 1=select/resize, 2=max, 3=remove
mouse: 1=select/resize, 2=max size, 3=remove (window)
...
There are lots of possibilities, depending on what you feel is unclear and
what information you are trying to convey.
> > Why would a tooltip, which is already contextual, need to explain
> > what its context is, what it pertains to?
>
> The context is the mode line, and it pertains to the window above the
> mode line.
This is not doc; it is a tooltip. Users will try it and find out, if unsure.
There are no hazardous materials involved here. You can try this at home,
kids.
> > Why would it need to say "For this window of the frame"? If it is
> > not clear enough without that context explanation, then there is
> > something wrong with the UI beyond just the tooltip text.
>
> The mode line is not the same as the window. "This window of the
> frame" makes clear that we are not talking about the window system's
> definition of a window, but about something that is nested within
> frames.
Really not necessary.
"This window of the frame": "of the frame" is 100% useless, as is "this".
If we stop making an effort to keep tooltips short, thinking that we need to
add padding such as this, then our tooltips will soon become Victorian
novels.
A mode-line is tied to its window and buffer. Though a mode-line can contain
text that is unrelated to the window/buffer, most of its text is usually
related.
> By the way: this tooltip (however many lines it takes) should
> absolutely not get displayed when there is only one window in the
> frame: it will only confuse the user since all announced operations
> are noops and there is no difference between window and frame.
We do agree about that.
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., (continued)
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Drew Adams, 2007/09/22
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2007/09/23
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/23
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Richard Stallman, 2007/09/23
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/23
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Richard Stallman, 2007/09/24
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/24
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Richard Stallman, 2007/09/25
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Drew Adams, 2007/09/25
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/25
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance...,
Drew Adams <=
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/25
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Drew Adams, 2007/09/25
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Kenichi Handa, 2007/09/25
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/25
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Stefan Monnier, 2007/09/26
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., David Kastrup, 2007/09/26
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Drew Adams, 2007/09/26
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Richard Stallman, 2007/09/26
- RE: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Drew Adams, 2007/09/26
- Re: New start up splash screen annoyance..., Dan Nicolaescu, 2007/09/25