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Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows
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Stefan |
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Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows |
Date: |
24 Aug 2004 22:51:21 -0400 |
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Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 |
> I agree that the packaging and user-preferences basically should be
> separated. But it is also important to make a more easy road to emacs for an
> ms windows user. To turn on all these things above are options at the
> installation (except for gnuserv and the printing, see below).
There are also W32 users who've learned Emacs before and who e.g. don't want
CUA-mode. I understand your desire, and I think the best way to do that is
to have an installation option to install a "vanilla Emacs" or "Emacs with
w32 tweaks". I think it's important to make it clear that it's not quite
"plain vanilla Emacs" for reasons of bug-reporting and things like that.
> I think that gnuserv always should be installed. Since I am only using ms
> windows (I have never time to switch to Linux) I am not sure how it looks on
> other platforms. I believe I read that gnuserv is included there (or
> something similar). Is that correct?
I think adding gnuserv is fine, since it replaces the missing
emacsclient/emacsserver (of course, what should really happen is that we
should get emacscliant/emacsserver working on w32 so you don't need to add
gnuserv, but in the mean time it's a good workaround).
[ I don't know enough about w32 printing to comment on your suggestion. ]
>> let's say I start your Emacs and see "gee he turned on CUA-mode, that
> sucks
>> for me". What do I do? Normally, to turn CUA off, a user should do
>> (CUA-mode -1) or you use custom. Your site-start.el or default.el changes
>> should correctly react to either one of those things.
> I turn on the options just as if the user had used "Options - Customize
> Emacs" so I do not believe it is a problem.
Huh? How do you do that? If you call custom-set-variables in site-start.el
or default.el, it won't be the same as if you called it in .emacs because
the user has no way to change those settings AFAIK. Have you tried it?
Actually maybe it works from site-start.el?
Have you also tried the case where the user uses (CUA-mode -1) instead
of using customize?
Note also that if you call custom-set-variables, if the user subsequently
does a custom-save, it will put a duplicate of your custom-set-variables
into her .emacs (because Emacs doesn't know that those settings were not
originally made from .emacs).
Incidentally, isn't this a case where a custom theme could advantageously
be used?
Stefan
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, (continued)
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Peter 'Luna' Runestig, 2004/08/27
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Frank Schmitt, 2004/08/07
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Eli Zaretskii, 2004/08/07
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/23
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Stefan Monnier, 2004/08/23
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/24
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Stefan Monnier, 2004/08/24
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/24
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Stefan Monnier, 2004/08/24
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/24
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows,
Stefan <=
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/26
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, David Kastrup, 2004/08/26
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Stefan Monnier, 2004/08/26
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/26
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Eli Zaretskii, 2004/08/25
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Peter 'Luna' Runestig, 2004/08/25
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/25
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Eli Zaretskii, 2004/08/25
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Vinicius Jose Latorre, 2004/08/26
- Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows, Lennart Borgman, 2004/08/26