Hello everyone,
“Hurting the project” ahah. Are you serious?
What is this supposed to mean? Say what you really think, don't be shy. If you have something derogatory or sarcastic to say, then say it out, don't hide behind innuendo.
Anyway,
I do want to spend some time to comment this.
I think the person who came up with this issue did a good thing. It is very important to not focus just “on code”. We are not automata and it is instead very important to discuss each other (discuss-gnustep seems the right place to do it).
Wrong. The purpose of this list is for discussions about GNUstep, not political hogwash.
People who get to code together have to stay in a nice and comfortable place. Again, it is important to give the right importance to things. Coding is nice, but nobody should let her/himself distracted by the “real”(?) issues. (As this one could be, but everything I am going to say should be good for other times too.)
The core team could meet and discuss about the issue if they want/the majority wants to deepen the thing. (As you are already doing). But I would say email is not a great tool to come to a compromise (or a decision).
Also from my understanding Johannes did not invite the group to “stop coding” but instead to dissociate yourself by an organisation that in his opinion made a bad decision.
Apparently, I misread "I'm calling on people to stop coding on this project" twice then.
I am done.
I thought I had to comment on this for the way the majority of the people here replied to the first email. I do not really care about the FSF or GNU.
> Il giorno 27 mar 2021, alle ore 23:24, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> Johannes,
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 2:58 AM Johannes Brakensiek <johannes@brakensiek.info> wrote:
> Gregory,
>
> On 26 Mar 2021, at 22:36, Gregory Casamento wrote:
>
> > I utterly fail to see the parallel between me asking for a CoC to be
> > considered and you posting an open letter calling for the removal of
> > RMS from all leadership positions and for us to stop contributing to
> > this project. Equating the two discussions is absolutely ludicrous.
>
> I was linking to that letter, but I was not calling for the removal of
> RMS. I was calling RMS and the FSF to set up a CoC that makes it clear
> in a way which can not be misunderstood that they do in no way tolerate
> or even accept abusive behaviour against children and women.
>
> And what will hurting this project accomplish? Nothing. You are only hurting the people who love and contribute to this project on a regular basis. Hurting this project doesn't further your goal.
>
> If they do not one will have to conclude they implicitly tolerate and
> accept such behaviour and such opinions. So this is entirely about a
> CoC.
>
> Thank you for your support, Niels.
>
> Niel's email above is, honestly, the first I have heard of that. It saddens me that anyone would choose to punish this project because of their own political stance. I sincerely hope that he reconsiders.
>
> I’m again calling anyone who has got a mother or a sister, a wife or a
> daughter to stop contributing to this project until RMS and the FSF have
> set up a corresponding CoC or otherwise remove him- or herself from the
> project and to then set free the valuable source code and software of
> this project.
>
> No. No one is going to stop contributing to this project because you ask them to, sorry. I was trying to ignore this thread after the last post hoping that things would cool off, but I was wrong to do so. I have loved this project for 20+ years and I am not going to abandon it or my friends because YOU want to grandstand and play politics on this forum.
>
>
> Johannes
>
> I am giving you fair warning... end this silly thread. I, for one, am going to get back to work on GUI and Gorm. I refuse to allow a stupid political discussion slow me down.
>
> GC
> --
> Gregory Casamento
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