Re: Package building

[Johannes Brakensiek]

Hi Sergii,

thank you for your reply!

On 19 Nov 2019, at 0:39, Sergii Stoian wrote:

> Frankly speaking I don’t like themes idea almost totally. It’s 
> hard to achieve desired look and feel with themes without coding 
> (overriding some class methods). Plus themes support bloats the 
> GNUstep codebase.

I’m not into the details of the theming implementation, but to me it 
looks a GNUstep based DE would be far from being bloated compared to 
other current DEs. ;)

> I understand that the initial idea was to attract more 
> users/developers, but… It’s not working.

Hm, yes. I think developers don’t need a nice UI at first place (and I 
think most of what developers need luckily is already provided by Apple 
as of today). But developers need happy users (if you’re not 
developing only for yourself) and I think happy users need a stable, 
solid and consistent UX. That would be provided by a NextStep based UI 
guideline. But they also need a pretty UI (which is not what you’d 
call that NextStep look nowadays, imho).

> So, I want to make ideal NEXTSTEP interface first. Who knows maybe 
> some day I’ll want to change it to macOS-like… ;)

I think: Do it (some days earlier). From a users perspective my heart 
was filled with joy and happiness when I saw what Bertrand had compiled 
here: 
https://github.com/BertrandDekoninck/rik.theme/blob/master/newscreen.png 
;)

If we’d have some more screenshots of well crafted software looking 
like this, it would be a huge benefit regarding the public impression of 
GNUstep. It doesn’t need to be macOS, but to have a free DE that’s 
getting close regarding UX/UI would be a thing I’d really like to see 
and work with. (Especially since Apple is currently driving the 
development of macOS to a state where I won’t want to use it 
anymore…)

> Etoile is great effort to create macOS-like DE with great fundamental 
> frameworks inside. I wish to borrow some  of them someday… But its 
> development stopped AFAIK.

Yes, sadly. Merge it, use it. Once I come to start writing a serious app 
I’ll give CoreObject a try and see how it works. ;)

Keep up your good work
Johannes