Re: [FOSDEM] Accepted devrooms

[Ivan Vučica]

Reading the posts again, maybe we could try to fit into the CrossDesktop 
devroom? 

One thing we could use is interaction with FreeDesktop.org and Canonical. 
Ubuntu's global menus system integration would be helpful, as well as better 
integration with window managers for the document architecture apps. FOSDEM is 
probably a good place to interact with people who could push for proper 
standardization of global menus and document windows.

Fitting some talks into the CrossDesktop room to demonstrate what kind of help 
we need in order to more easily enhance the experience of AppKit-based apps 
would probably be good in getting people to see GNUstep as another place where 
useful enhancements happen in free desktop. Specifying related URLs for a 
window on the X11 level in FreeDesktop, and then having other window managers 
make use of this URL, would probably be something people could get behind.

On 25. 10. 2012., at 13:25, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns@goldelico.com> 
wrote:

> Hi Gerold,
> 
> Am 25.10.2012 um 13:17 schrieb Gerold Rupprecht:
> 
>> Hi Lars,
>> 
>> Thanks for your efforts.
>> 
>> Can you say anything about the selection criteria?
> 
> I had submitted a request for a devroom for another project and got almost
> verbatim the same answer. There is no clear statement about rules, except:
> 
>>>> Our goal is to stimulate developer
>>>> collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.
> 
> So I think a single project or even several has lower chances than a "topic".
> 
> And, available space is always an important criterion.
> 
>> 
>> We have enjoyed FOSDEM presence since the beginning so I am interested
>> to know why the organizers are giving preference to others. What can we
>> do to make our project have greater value for FOSDEM?
> 
> I think with these criteria mentioned above, we can do nothing. We can't 
> transform
> our project into a "general topic". We can only organize our own 
> "mini-conference".
> 
>> These people are putting in a tremendous effort at organizing, finding
>> sponsors, volonteers and I really appreciate their efforts. It has
>> always been a highlight for me to meet other people interested in
>> GNUstep each year at FOSDEM.
> 
> Well, from the organizer's viewpoint we can still do that. Just not in a 
> devroom
> provided by them.
> 
>> One thing that comes to mind is the often difficult access to our code
>> within various distributions /OSs. The code which is available has often
>> been in a frustrating state where getting the code up and running.
>> 
>> Are reviewers finding it difficult and time-consuming?
>> 
>> What are the FOSDEM organizers looking at?
> 
> I don't think they are looking into any code.
> 
>> 
>> We have even had the support of Richard Stallman for our project, so I
>> am still convinced GNUstep has strategic value for Free Software.
> 
> Yes, but it is one of >20 (or more) strategic projects. I don't see any other 
> FSF project
> on the list of the accepted devrooms (I may have missed it).
> 
>> 
>> What are the other projects doing that presents them as being a better
>> investment for their time and resources than our project? 
> 
> They address a broader audience. Look, not even Debian or Fedora
> has its own devroom. They have to share "Cross Distro".
> 
> FOSDEM has simply grown faster than the audience of our project...
> 
>> 
>> Can we set a priority to fill in the gaps to again meet their
>> standards? 
>> 
>> I have great admiration for the current and past contributors to GNUstep
>> and the overall quality of work. We have had investments from Google
>> summer of code for a number of contributions, so technically, I have no
>> doubt as to the value of the produced code. 
>> 
>> The current efforts to creating debian packaging that is more current is
>> a good move in the right direction (big thanks to all contributors).
>> Would more automatic regression tests be of help to get better ratings?
> 
> FOSDEM does IMHO only look into importance of a topic for mankind.
> 
>> 
>> Any thoughts and suggestions would be most welcome.
>> 
>> Would it be appropriate for us to graft ourselves onto the Testing and
>> Automation group (Saturday) or the Configuration / Systems Management
>> group (Sunday) this year? 
>> 
>> What is the interest to organize a meeting nearby to FOSDEM? 
> 
> This has crossed over with my other proposal for getting a conference
> room @ some hotel nearby :)
> 
>> I really want to see GNUstep at FOSDEM again.
> 
> And I want to meet the GNUsteppers during FOSDEM time :)
> 
>> 
>> All comments and suggestions welcome.
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Nikolaus
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gerold
>> -- 
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>> 
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>> 
>> On jeu, 2012-10-25 at 12:29 +0200, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
>>> Sadly we are not among them :-(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lars
>>> 
>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>> 
>>>> Von: fosdem-request@lists.fosdem.org
>>>> 
>>>> Datum: 25. Oktober 2012 12:00:01 MESZ
>>>> 
>>>> An: fosdem@lists.fosdem.org
>>>> 
>>>> Betreff: FOSDEM Digest, Vol 66, Issue 2
>>>> 
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>>>> 1. Accepted devrooms (Tias Guns)
>>>> 
>>>> Von: Tias Guns <tias@fosdem.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Datum: 24. Oktober 2012 21:27:48 MESZ
>>>> 
>>>> An: Fosdem Announce <fosdem@lists.fosdem.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Betreff: [FOSDEM] Accepted devrooms
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Devrooms are 'developer rooms' in which open source communities can
>>>> organize their own schedule, made of presentations, brainstorming
>>>> and hacking sessions. Our goal is to stimulate developer
>>>> collaboration and cross-pollination between projects.
>>>> 
>>>> It is our pleasure and honor to announce that the following projects
>>>> and topics have been granted a devroom at FOSDEM 2013:
>>>> 
>>>> Both Days
>>>> ---------
>>>> * Cross Distro
>>>> * CrossDesktop
>>>> * Embedded and Mobile
>>>> * Free Java
>>>> * Legal Issues
>>>> * Mozilla
>>>> 
>>>> Saturday
>>>> --------
>>>> * Apache OpenOffice
>>>> * Community development and Marketing
>>>> * FOSS for scientists
>>>> * Graph Processing
>>>> * Jabber/XMPP
>>>> * Microkernels / Component-based OSes
>>>> * Mono
>>>> * PHP and Friends
>>>> * Testing and Automation
>>>> * The Wine Project
>>>> * Virtualization
>>>> * X.org
>>>> 
>>>> Sunday
>>>> ------
>>>> * Ada
>>>> * BSD
>>>> * Cloud
>>>> * Configuration/Systems Management
>>>> * Cross Distro
>>>> * LibreOffice
>>>> * MySQL & Friends
>>>> * NOSQL
>>>> * Open Source Game Development
>>>> * PostgreSQL
>>>> * Python
>>>> * Smalltalk
>>>> * Telephony
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In the coming weeks, they will announce their call for talks on
>>>> various mailinglists (including this one). We will collect them on
>>>> our website as well.
>>>> 
>>>> We will also open our call for stands (a place in the hallway) and
>>>> lightningtalks (15 minute talks) in the coming week.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On behalf of the FOSDEM program team,
>>>> Tias
>>>> 
>>>> 
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