Re: question about low availability of Mac OS X applications that has GnuStep edition

[Ivan Vučica]

I picked my words carefully in the previous mail: GIMP ToolKit got a  
lot exposure because of GNOME, not GIMP. Before that it was just  
another toolkit, like many others in the X11 world. And GNOME became  
popular primarily because Canonical likes it more than KDE, and  
Canonical is a commercial interest with freedom + support + services  
being its business model. It is in their interest that more people see  
Ubuntu and GNOME as good and usable, because that means more support  
contracts and more Ubuntu One users.

KDE become popular with its partner QT along for the ride, and with  
TrollTech, a company with a commercial interest with freedom being  
only a part of its business model. Freedom is a way to stimulate  
people to learn how to use QT and to get them to license it for  
commercial use. Nokia has different goals, and they want QT for their  
own offerings; I'm not sure how KDE fits into their plans. KDE e.V. is  
also a company with, afaik, full time employees.

What company does GNUstep have to support its interests? It should be  
FSF, I guess.

Here is a non-rhetoric question, since I don't know the current  
situation: Does, and can, FSF invest its energy and resources into  
GNUstep? Another one: do we have full time employees of some company  
which decided popularization of GNUstep is their strategic interest?  
If so, what are the planned ways to achieve popularization?

Well, I'm now going back to sleep, hopefully I made some sense in this  
mail. If not, I'll regret that tomorrow :-)

Regards,

Ivan Vučica
via phone

On 26. sij. 2011., at 01:05, Banlu Kemiyatorn <object@gmail.com> wrote:

> ----- Original message -----
> > GTK did not become popular just because it's something people are
> > comfortable working in; it became particularly popular after  
> having a
> > complete environment (GNOME), where people met GTK every day, became
>
> AFAICR, Gimp Tool Kit rose because of GIMP
>
> > popular. QT rose to prominence because of KDE. Cocoa became popular
>
> IMHO, KDE does not rise as yet. But then GTK s(t)uck, QT gain more  
> corporate weight as Nokia switched from GTK, but not much weight  
> from KDE as KDE isnt in any part of their Meego system, is it? Thats  
> why they start plasma mobile thingy. KDE isnt even running on Win  
> but many consumer Winapps use it. It is quite obvious GPL KDE has  
> nothing to do with that. QT made it coz it is better than  
> alternative on Windows.
>
>
> > because of OS X, not the other way around. UIKit is popular not just
> > because it's simple to work with, but because iPhone is popular. Who
> > would use Win32 APIs if Windows weren't popular?
>
> Since they all have more money for good marketing and since they  
> didnt actually have competitors. And all we can do about marketing  
> is making good consumer products. What else we can do beside coding?
>
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ivan Vučica