Re: preliminary schedule for the GNUstep devroom @ FOSDEM 2010

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

Am 08.01.2010 um 16:32 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

> Am 08.01.2010 um 15:26 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
>
> > Am 08.01.2010 um 06:35 schrieb Fred Kiefer:
> >
> > > Am 08.01.2010 00:33, schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:
> > > > - Richard dropped his talk to allow for a more relaxed schedule  
> > > > with
> > > > breaks.
> > >
> > > This is a shame. Why not merge two of David's three (or even four)
> > > talks, where it is unclear whether he will be able to attend at all.
> > > Move my talk into the early afternoon and give Richard my slot?
> > >
> > > For Nikolaus Schaller I see a similar problem. Nobody will be  
> > > there to
> > > listen to a talk at 9am. He should rather prepare to give all three
>
> Oh. I think for all GNUstep developers it is a "must" to be there  
> at 9am :)
> And we should fill the full time slots we have (because this is  
> visible to the public - and not to forget that FOSDEM organizers  
> are known to check if rooms are really used as available).
>
> So I would add: "9:00 core developer's meeting".

good idea!

> > > talks in the time slot starting at 10am.
>
> Visitors rarely come on Sunday before 10:00. So I agree to start  
> real talks at 10:00.
>
> And I think we need less than 15 minutes breaks for 30min talks. So  
> another idea:
>
> Let's combine 2 talks into a "session". I.e. have 15 minutes break  
> every 45 or 60 minutes. And squeeze my topics a little into e.g.  
> 3x20 min sessions. I will make a clear "subagenda" for it, since  
> visitors need to know what they get in detail (not some big  
> potpourri).
>
> Roughly:
>
> 09:00 - 10:00   Developer's meeting
> 10:00 - 11:00   2x N.S.

are you going to change the wiki accordingly?

> 11:15 - 12:00   F.K.
> 12:15 - 12:45   M.Q. & D.C.
> 13:00 - 13:45   N.R.
> 14:00 - 14:45   M.Q.
> 15:00 - 16:00   2x D.C.
> 16:15 - 16:45   D.C.
>
>
> > And Nicola has retracted his offer to give an ObjC introduction  
> > because the slots were full, which I bemoan because I consider  
> > such an ObjC introduction essential for the purpose to recruit new  
> > GNUstep developers and users (e.g. framework users: programmers).
>
> Hm. I am not sure about this. There are now plenty of good Obj-C  
> books and many newcomers interested in looking at Obj-C because  
> they have an iPhone. In one of the german OSX developer fora I  
> think the traffic is now 3 times as big since the introduction of  
> the iPhone. And there are at least 5 times as many beginners  
> questions. So I would not see a high priority in this topic that we  
> as the GNUstep project still have to do the basic education about  
> ObjC. We also need experienced programmers already fluent in ObjC.

my experience tells me that a lot of newbees see ObjC as a C++ with  
just a weird syntax. To educate them about the different nature of  
ObjC vs. C++, Java, C# whatever could be the topic of such a talk.

> > But as I said, the schedule is still subject to change. So if all  
> > involved parties agree, go forward and rearrange it!
> >
> > Just keep one thing in mind: hard deadline is this Saturday (9th  
> > of January) evening, until then the schedule must be final so that  
> > it can be forwarded to the FOSDEM organizers.
> >
> > And please don't forget to send me your resume and a short  
> > abstract for each talk so I can forward this too.
> >
> > > Fred
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >         Lars
>
> Nikolaus

regards,

        Lars