Re: These NeXTbuntu guys

[Sašo Kiselkov]

Andreas Höschler wrote:
> Hello Chris,
>
> > > • If an app hangs Window Maker is dead. No chance to start 
> > > Terminal.app to
> > > kill the application. This is not acceptable.
> >
> > Agreed, however, if any window manager hangs you're in deep shit anyway.
>
> I assume the corresponding system on a Mac is multi threaded. If I try 
> to start an app from the dock there and it hangs I have no problem to 
> open the application list and kill it. I can't do that with Window Maker.
>
> > > • As far as we know there is no nice GNUstep application yet to kill 
> > > a bad
> > > process (Terminal.app + kill ... is no option for enterprise users)
> >
> > If you're running Etoile's MenuServer, check the Etoile Menu (the 
> > little flower).
> > There's an entry 'Applications' that will let you select and kill any 
> > GNUstep-related application.
>
> We run EtoileMenuServer.app. I just checked the flower -> Applications 
> -> Application List, but selecting this menu item gives me nothing. I 
> not even get an error message on the console!? As you might know we 
> are on Solaris. :-)
It's not a Solaris problem, it's an EtoileMenuServer problem - I haven't 
implemented many of the process-related functions yet. Simply didn't 
have the time to do that yet. The same goes for the "Log Out" button - 
it's supposed to plug into the Etoile desktop architecture, but we 
haven't worked that out yet, so I didn't know how to do that...

Please also beware that EtoileMenuServer is alpha software - it's quite 
far away from where it should be. There's tons of bugs and lots of 
unimplemented features and it's basically just good for hacking on it...
> > > • Although it is said that Copy & Paste  (at least for text) works 
> > > between
> > > X-apps and GNUstep apps. I cannot confirm that. My collegue is able 
> > > to copy
> > > from Firefox to TextEdit.app, I am not (on the same machine). We 
> > > have not yet
> > > found out why. So I can't confirm that this works generally.
> >
> > Do you (your account) run gdnc and gpbs upon login?
>
> I have no idea where or by whom gdnc and gpbs are started. But after 
> we login with Window maker we have both daemons running. I did "ps -Af 
> | grep gpbs" and got
>
>  ahoesch 22470     1   0 15:25:35 ?           0:00 
> /opt/GNUstep/System/Tools/gpbs --daemon
>
> After killing this daemon copy & paste between Firefox and TextEdit 
> started to work. I did the ps again and got
>
>  ahoesch 22472     1   0 15:25:35 ?           0:00 
> /opt/GNUstep/System/Tools/gpbs -GSStartupNotification GSStartup-GPBS 
> --daemon
>
> gpbs was restarted with an additional option and obviousl ythis option 
> is important for Copy & Paste to work. Weird! But I am glad it works 
> now. One step further to a working GNUstep based desktop. Thanks!
Submit this as a bug - it should not behave like this for certain. A 
gpbs instance should be unique to login session, as for DnD to work in 
X-Windows the gpbs daemon needs to connect to the X-server, which is 
obviously possible only after login.
> > >     How much work would it be to write a GNUstep wrapper for Firefox
> > > (Objective-C++)?
> >
> > A wrapper around Gecko? You do not want to even think about it.
> > But there's Flock and Camino.
> >
> > Though both are a no-go if you want to have your system clean of GTK.
> > I rather break my teeth by porting WebKit...
> >
> > > so I think one could live with this one alien (next to Star Office) 
> > > for a
> > > while if at least copy & paste between Firefox, Star Office and 
> > > GNUstep apps
> > > really worked (please let me know what I could try to get this 
> > > working on my
> > > account).
> >
> > Drag'n'Drop of text does work (just tried with Firefox and TextEdit)
>
> This does not work for me, but I can live with that now that copy & 
> paste works. I don't like the concept of dragging text anyway.
>
> Regards,
>
>   Andreas

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Saso