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Re: [RFC] Text Input Management System (5)

From: Chad Hardin
Subject: Re: [RFC] Text Input Management System (5)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:22:48 -1000

On May 4, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Kazunobu Kuriyama wrote:

Hi, Chad,

Thank you for the information. I appreciate it; in particular, the images you kindly attached to your emails were very helpful for me. (btw, how did
you create them?)

You're welcome, I used Grab.app

As I still have some points I want to make sure, I'd be happy if you could
give me any answers to the questions below.

Chad Hardin wrote:

On May 2, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Kazunobu Kuriyama wrote:

Chad Hardin wrote:


The only foreign language I'm familiar with is Chinese, and it is often used by combining a series of ASCII characters, typed into a mini-dialog box, and produces Unicode from that.

Seems I was confused. The mini-dialog box you mentioned here was the one
we have when using GNUstep, correct?

I don't know, I'm not sure what you asking since Ive never used any natural language but english with gnustep.

On the other hand, in the Apple documentation, with the US English input server, they say a "palette" comes up when the user types in Option-e and
e successively to generate an accented e.  How about the change of the
text attributes in this particular case?  Is this similar to the case
we have with the Chinese input server?
no, no pallete, it looks like this in TextEdit.app:

TIFF image

 typed option-e

TIFF image

typed e

Similar to chinese, whatever can be done inline with the text is. Palette only pop up when absolutely necessary then they quickly go away.

(1) What key stroke is used to pop up the mini-dialog box for beginning

First, I actually end up using the Menu to choose languages most of the time:

"Apple"-Spacebar is used to toggle between two language selections. "Apple"-Option-spacebar is used to list through the language selections.

What do you think are good substitutions for "Apple" and "Option" keys when
you need to use a non-Apple keyboard?

That's a good question, I was thinking that damn "Windows" key can be used better. It would make a nice "Apple" key.

(2) What key stroke is used to close the box for finishing conversion? (3) Where does the box come up?

None that I am aware of, it seems to just appear and disappear on it's own, very naturally. For the Chinese romanized input methods, no window will pop up for character selection until space bar is pressed (the roman characters show up in their normal position, but underlined). At that point, the window showing the possible characters appear. When you select a character, the window disappears and the roman characters are replaced by one or more chinese characters, then the cycle starts again.

I'll make input methods work like that with GNUstep. It seems to me that the input methods for Chinese are a little bit simpler than those of ours. So I expect it wouldn't be hard to implement a Chinese input server once if we could implement a Japanese one successfully. I'd be happy if we could
discuss on the issue in the near future.

I'd like to point out that the Chinese input method uses some type of dictionary. Not the definitions of the words but a table indicating which characters can go together to make a word. This dictionary helps out a lot since it reduces the number of selections to sort through and pick. As you probably know, most Chinese words are two character combinations.

Sure, ask away!


- Kazunobu Kuriyama

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