Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)

[Philippe C . D . Robert]

Hi,

I cannot speak for Apple (and neither can you), but reading mails sent by multiple Apple engineers on various Mac OS X dev mailing-lists seems to indicate a different reality than the one you want me make believe... anyway, as it is very off-topic to discuss Apple strategies here I skip this part.

On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 05:05  Uhr, Philip Mötteli wrote:
> > > But the question was, if it is important to have companies on our side or not. M$ had that. Phil Roberts doubted, if that would help GS. He said, the hobbyists would be enough for GS to succed. And I said, if we have the companies on our side, we've almost won the battle.
> > No, I never say that, I never said anything about Hobbyists.
> That was your word. I didn't even know, that it exists in English.

I stand corrected, I used the word (although I am not sure it is proper English:) but in a different context - quoting myself:

"If it turns out that GNUstep will never become an enduser environment why should anyone then spend time to write GUI based apps, for example (be it as a hobby or as a professional enterprise)? All this has IMHO nothing to do with being a hobbyist or an enterprise."

> > I said that the chance to find programmers in the free *nix world (Linux, BSD, ... ) who would be willing to support GNUstep to create a complete, stable end-user environment solution
> And those are not hobbyists? (concerning their work for GS)

Not necessarily, no, even though many of them probably are.

> > is probably higher and more realistic than trying to port GS to Windows in order to come up with a full blown,
> Not full blown. Just finish the port to Windows. No ProjectBuilder and all that.
>
> > cross-platform development solution which perfectly integrates into the native host OS (and thus not being an end user environment!)
> We don't need the perfect solution. We just need as much, that companies say: "it's almost complete for our needs. We could complete the rest with a reasonable investment."

I cannot exactly follow your reasoning, possibly because do not seem to agree. But then it does not really matter either because Adam put together a Wiki page containing the official goals for the GNUstep project. Thus it is now the time to finalise and refine this definition so that everyone will be able to decide whether this fits personal plans and ideas or not.

But the most important aspect is anyway that those who believe in any of those projects - be it a desktop project effort or the GS development environment or whatever else - actively spend (some) time themselves to support the project - and I am sure this will happen, at least I do not give up hope, even if I do not agree with the official GNUstep goals.

-Phil
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