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Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality contr

From: Chad Hardin
Subject: Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:33:13 -1000

On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 09:21 PM, Philip Mötteli wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 22.10.03, um 08:51 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Chad Hardin:
Yes, but it's also a catch-22 situation. Less people are going to be interested in improving GNUstep if there is no user base.

With users, you mean non-developpers? I consider myself a user too. I'm using the libraries.

Right, we are all users, really. I mean the people who use the machine as a tool to do things like email, browser the web, etc.

If there is no user base, what is the point in improving GNUstep?

So you mean people, who use programs written using Gnustep? Of course, if nobody is using those programs why write them. And then of course, why should there be any Gnustep at all. But when somebody writes a program, using Gnustep, I think he intends having a user base for it. Otherwise, he wouldn't write it. Not in KDE, nor using any other library.

I see GNUstep a little differently than most of the GNUstep developers; I see it as a opportunity to create a desktop system which people will actually want to use, not be forced to. We have KDE and GNOME, and although a lot of really admirable work has been put into them, the interface is still basically a Windows clone, in the UI sense. I think most people do not like the Windows style Ui, but they feel that there is no other alternative. i am seeing a relatively large move to OS X, because of it's UI. I like OS X a lot and use it everyday, but the hardware is fairly expensive, which limits many people of the world to using: old versions of Windows, pirated newer copies of windows, or KDE and GNOME. I think there is room for improvement in this arena and I would like to fill that gap with a GNUstep based Desktop OS.

Plus, users are not going to accept running ported OS X apps in KDE or GNOME. The interfaces differ way too much....

You're right, usually not (except, if he already put KDE in the Mac like mode). But I think this is not the huge problem, for two reasons: 1. Do you remember the times, when you could create in NeXTs InterfaceBuilder two different nibs? One for Windows and one for NeXT? IB took care of most of the GUI differences for those two platforms. Why don't use the same strategy for KDE and MOSX? It's anyway mostly only the menues.


2. Many programs do not use AppKit. E. g. servers and Web-programs.

I know, there is a shortage of GNUstep apps, but you gotta admit that a LOT of progress has been made this year!

I think there is room to work on everything at the same time.

I can't force people anyway. I know, that people either work with Gnustep for the fun of it and then, they want to do something they like, which is unfortunately apparently not a KDevelop-plugin or they work with it for their job and then they will only implement, what is needed for the task at hand.

I do it for fun too. In real life I'm a Chinese linguist trying to finish my BS. When that is done I can hopefully move in to the C.S. world (My programmer mind is not really good at being a linguist)

I'm creating SimplyGNUstep, but honestly now though, will that ever make me any money? Probably not. If it ever did though I would pump money back into the GNUstep project..but that's another topic....

I also think there is going to be much more interest in GNUstep in 2004.....

You have me wondering… What are you thinking of?

i'm making SimplyGNUstep




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