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Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality contr

From: Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
Subject: Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:12:53 +0800

I agree with most of what you say, actually. 

Well this is the first time i used an ide in my whole unix experience. 
ProjectCenter is good enough for me.

On 2003-10-22 15:47:30 +0800 Philip Mötteli <address@hidden> wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 22.10.03, um 09:02 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Rogelio M.Serrano 
> Jr.:
>> I agree. GNUstep is the way to go. Im looking at it as going beyond unix.
> Actually, you got exactly the point here: It's an API. It's the API called 
> OpenStep. It's actually not a desktop, nor a filemanager, nor a project 
> management tool, nor anthing else (though some programs are needed to be 
> there, in order that this API makes sense, like pb-server). Because we it's 
> "only" an API, we have it also on Windows.
> All those programs are just here to revive the NeXTstep look&feel (which I 
> like a lot!)
>> For me gnustep is the whole environment.
> Well that was actually not the definition of Gnustep. Though, me too, I liked 
> the whole environment at the times, when NeXT was there. But in the meantime, 
> this is not any more the leading one and only possible environment. What 
> Apple offers with Xcode and Display-PDF is way more, as what NeXT offered 
> (not to talk about ProjectCenter et al.).
>> Its a new way to develop applications. Its more than the desktop.
> It's not about the desktop at all actually. The desktop at the time was 
> great, because it was so insanely integrated, by still having separate 
> applications implemented by separate people.
>> I believe that its the way to go.
> Definitely. But why not integrate it in something existing? Especially, if we 
> will never have the resources to catch up/copy with these existing things?
> I mean, do you know, why NeXT invented the OpenStep API? It's exactly for 
> this reason: To integrate their infamous great API into existing environments 
> like MS-Windows and Sun-Solaris. They, exactly as Gnustep, didn't have the 
> resources, to write all the drivers and other code and wrappers to make their 
> system compatibel to the other world. So they standardized their API and 
> implemented it on every important platform. That way, people who wrote 
> software for NeXT could just recompile it for a chosen other platform and it 
> runned. They reused, what others had already done.
>> To make gnustep compatible with macosx is an immediate goal not the long 
>> term one.
> In my eyes we need that to attract more people. And the more people we have, 
> the more complete the whole thing will be, which will in turn attract even 
> more people, which will complete even more… It's a vicious circle.
>> ProjectCenter is the main attraction for me and I beleve that it cannot go 
>> on in a vaccum. We need a distro to keep it alive.
> I would love having this opinion. I probably wouldn't be on MOSX any more. 
> Perhaps I've seen to many other "ProjectCenter"s.
>> It is already usable as it is now and i intend to use it as much i could.
> Have you used even the original one (NeXT's ProjectBuilder)? Even compared to 
> this 10 years old progarm, I can't imagine using ProjectCenter all day long. 
> I'm sorry.
>> Even if it is not complete it can be used to create a coherent featureful 
>> system.
> I actually don't see, why you need ProjectCenter to create a featiureful 
> system?
> Re
> Phil
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