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Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality contr

From: Rogelio M . Serrano Jr .
Subject: Re: GNUstep roadmap (was Re: [Suggestion] GNUstep-test for quality control)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:59:11 +0800

On 2003-10-22 14:06:51 +0800 Philip Mötteli <address@hidden> wrote:

> Hi
> Am Mittwoch, 22.10.03, um 04:41 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Adam Fedor:
>> On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 01:22 AM, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
>>> But to remain at least a little on-topic allow me to ask this question (as 
>>> a simple user resp. programmer who needs to decide whether to use it or 
>>> not): where will the GNUstep project be within 12 months (which will be 
>>> more or less GUI 1.0)? What is the (realistic) roadmap for the GNUstep 
>>> project anyway?
>> Well I've thought about that question a lot, obviously, but I don't have a 
>> really good answer. Most of my goals revolve around the concept of the 
>> GNUstep Desktop. That is, I can have a lot of individual goals about the 
>> GNUstep development platform, but it's hard to know what's really important 
>> without a consensus of what the "reference" GNUstep Desktop would look 
>> like. Will it be "all GNUstep", with our own Window Manager, or do we need 
>> to give up our small town mentality and try to integrate better with KDE 
>> and/or Gnome. What are the really important things that people want to 
>> accomplish with GNUstep?
>> I don't much care which way it goes.  I've been working on GNUstep for over 
>> 10 years now, and I just keep going for the fun of it, not because I have 
>> any aspirations that it will become some wildly popular, unbeatable 
>> project. My one hope is that it will be useful before it becomes obsolete 
>> :-)
> I dare adding my 2c… For me, Gnustep are first of all the libraries. Not a 
> filemanager, nor a desktop, nor a system, nor development tools (apart of the 
> libraries, obviously). So I personally regret a lot, that so much effort is 
> spent in things, that are not especially unique, but are already implemented, 
> maintained and evolved by so many others. I mean something like GDL2 is 
> unique and just "insanely great", isn't it? But ProjectCenter compared to 
> KDevelop is just way, way behind and unfortunately will probably never be 
> even half the way of KDevelop. Though I would prefer having ProjectCenter, 
> Gnustep-Filemanager, Gnustep-Desktop,… I just think, that we anyway don't 
> have the resources to catch up with those people. So why not spend these 
> resources more into what makes Gnustep unique and just invest, what we 
> absolutely need, in order to reuse (KDevelop, KDE, Gnome,…) what others 
> already have done? I mean the idea behind OO is reusability, not reinvent  
> the wheel over and over again?
> Don't misunderstand me: me too, I would prefer having a complete 
> Gnustep-system, but we just do not have the needed resources for it, I'd say.
> So in my eyes, the most important things would be:
> 1. Complete the already offered libraries. Especially in GDL2, where a lot is 
> missing.
> 2. Debug them.
> 3. Improve the Windows port! (This is the second unique part of GS: Cross 
> platform)
> 4. Implement some plug-ins or other ways to make KDevelop or any other well 
> maintained development tool, compatibel with Gnustep.
> 5. Dito for a desktop environment. Preferably KDE.
> Or to attack the same problem from another point of view: Why might somebody 
> move to GS? I don't think many people do that because of a filemanager or a 
> desktop. Especially not now and the future won't change that, because we just 
> do not attract enough people so far to push such a project. I think the main 
> reason, why GS might be used in the future, is because software companies, 
> mainly from the Apple world, will want to sell/use their software on three 
> platforms: MOSX, Linux et all. and Windows. This is a tremendous opportunity. 
> The other reason, I can imagine, is that somebody knows, that OpenStep has 
> great development libraries though unfortunately the rest of the development 
> tools are missing…
> Now of course, why I just don't do it myself? I would love to do it, but how 
> do I survive? I'm doing a PhD without a boursery or any savings – and I just 
> can't find a job in the GS world. There's just no time at all left. But I 
> would love to!
> Just my 2c!
> (another) Phil
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For me gnustep is the whole environment. Its a new way to develop applications. 
Its more than the desktop.
I believe that its the way to go. To make gnustep compatible with macosx is an 
immediate goal not the long term one.

ProjectCenter is the main attraction for me and I beleve that it cannot go on 
in a vaccum. We need a distro to keep it alive.
It is already usable as it is now and i intend to use it as much i could. Even 
if it is not complete it can be used to create a coherent featureful system.

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