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Re: Shared application menu

From: Alex Perez
Subject: Re: Shared application menu
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT)

Sorry for topposting, but for the sake of clarification, Banlu is NOT 
referring to a "tool bar" in the NSToolbar or GNUmail toolbar sense, he is 
in fact referring to HORIZONTAL MENUS, which is what he means when he 
referrs to the "Apple Logo/Menu", which is on the menu bar at the 
uppermost left of the screen on OS X systems.


On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:

> Dirk Olmes wrote:
> > Argh! Make my eyes stop bleeding :-)
> > I don't like the concept of using the top of the screen for a toolbar. 
> > IMHO the toolbar should belong to the window / app that's using it but 
> > I guess that's the same holy war as with menus. I would absolutely 
> > hate to lose the top x pixels of the screen for a toolbar that would 
> > even be *blank* (i.e. gray space) in a lot of cases.
> You are right, I was thinking of that before I post that too. But after 
> looking at my current desktop
> I found that most of my applications has tool bar. And to advocate 'tool 
> base environment' idea,
> I think that every window should try to implement some tools.  The tool 
> bar may not be that waste,
> for instant, you can simply hide it if there is no tool available. (Yes 
> I said that and realized sliding bar
> sucks in many case) Or you can atleast has a small GNUstep logo placed 
> where the Apple has on
> OS X so the empty area isn't too lonely. Or even have a default tool bar 
> per application that icon grayed
> out when the current window doesn't recognize the message (kinda like 
> menu entry, thus this could be
> confusing but I just can't consider it is until I did a real experiment 
> with it.)
> The most interesting part of tool bar to me is that user can rearrange 
> items to suite their best preferences,
> so it supposed to be accessed more often than any kind of menu (vertical 
> and horisontal) while taking
> full advantage from edge's screen according to fitt's laws.
>  From above, I also think of replacing right-click menu with a pie menu 
> representing tools instead
> of the actual app menu. But this directly hurt pure OpenStep people 
> (those I want to reserve their
> feeling for the most) and should be treated as another issue ;-)
> >
> > I can't imagine how this toolbar thing would require a shared 
> > application menu/app.
> Right. That's another issue though.
> >
> > -dirk
> >
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