Re: First Impressions of GNUStep

[Banlu Kemiyatorn]

> > - Windows covering other windows of the same application. OSX (and 
> > partly MS Windows with windows that don't apprear in the taskbar) has 
> > the same problem: There are two problems with this situation: You 
> > have to know that there is a window beneath the window. And to bring 
> > this window to the top, you must first move the covering windows.
> > Neither Gnome nor KDE have this "problem" because the only windows 
> > not appearing in the taskbar are modal.
> >
> > (This one is quite tricky. Have to talk to some of the other students 
> > tomorrow on how to solve this.  Do it like KDE, all windows in the 
> > taskbar? or like OSX, a single icon for the applications brings all 
> > windows to front. But how to access covered windows in this case? 
> > Tricky...)
>
>
> That's already how it functions (as OSX) 


0) sorry, I am so fscking lonely today so i tried randomly replying mail.
1) pin the window menu so you will see all window for an application you 
are using.
2) hack the backend, adding a special key so while pressing, it display 
the outline showing
the geometries of hidden windows so you know they were there. evil, but 
see 0)
3) allow a special application (may be window manager) to be able to 
have its menu
mapped all the time, in the same sense of the apple menu at the top left 
of OS X, add
window menu to it, via pager protocol or whatever that work.

> I don't see the use of tear-off/detachable menues. GTK had/has the 
> same feature but they may be going to disable it per default. (There 
> was a discussion about that topic a while ago, but I don't know what 
> the current oppinion is)
>
> Hu ? tear-off menus *are* good. One thing cool with GNUstep is that the
> application "remembers" the menu and windows positions, so you could see
> menus as some place which handles availble "palettes".
> And they are very easily tear-off, as the title of the menu is displayed. 

tear-off menu *are* good - confirmed. except that GTK app doesn't seem 
to have global menu
(for each application) and it has to think differently to use the menu 
system. so it becomes very
confusing since it is impossible to know if the menu is belonging to 
what window.


> Problem is that Apple made a wrapper to khtml using "ObjC++", a hack 
> to mix
> C++ and ObjC code in the same source, which is not yet included in the 
> official gcc tree.
> WebCore should be easily ported once ObjC++ will be included.
> Anyway it won't be a "killer-application" that would propagate 
> GNUstep, but
> just yet another browser ... 

I am working on a reimplementation of GEGL, which isn't half complete 
per se. the GEGL
library was done in GObject (a part of Glib) and it has a potential to 
be used in GIMP 2.0.
I want a drawing application, kinda like GIMP but will be a drawing tool 
in the same sense
of Photogenics (hope it is its name) This reimplementation was named 
'Maliwan' and I am
serious with it (even I didn't act like I did) So if anyone would like 
to join, please do. I don't
have much clue about design patterns and it is being used intensively in 
GEGL. This can
be a killer application and I am sure Adob-e will sponsor us. Look at 
GTK+, there's no GTK+
without GIMP.


> > - Look and Feel. GNUStep feels and looks like a desktop of the 
> > nineties. Maybe it should follow the path of OSX. Or try something 
> > completly new. But that is just the opinion of an ignorant, 
> > un-enlightend and stupid hollow head.
>
>
> See http://www.roard.com/camaelon/ and http://www.roard.com/screenshots/
>
> > Splitting the GNUStep-Project into two seperate projects (GNUStep 
> > Framework and GNUStep Desktop) would be a good idea.
>
>
> I agree.
>
> > Last, but not least: GNUStep is no eye-candy. Really. Maybe a new 
> > default theme would help here. Or some new icons. There was an 
> > interesting proposal at OSNews some time ago. Maybe some of Eugenia's 
> > ideas could be incorporated.
> > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3725
>
>
> it's not the main concern right now, but some things are in work.

Agree that some great icons/backgrounds should help. I am trying to fix 
my wacom system
and will restart one icon/day project. We'll have ~300 icons/year. And 
everybody know my
icons are great. (Look, I actually said that! so I add.. 'thus some 
might disagree')


Would be nice if GNUstep allow app icon to be zoomed, I really like it.