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Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea)
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Dan Pascu |
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Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea) |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:06:22 +0200 (EET) |
On 7 Jan, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> Actually, on NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP, the equivalent functions of the
> X11 window managers are implemented, AFAIK, as PS code downloaded into
> the DPS server. That is: the "window manager" on NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP
> is not written in Objective-C, but in Postscript.
>
> Actually, it seems to be that all the features we would like to remove
> from WindowMaker to make it a dedicated GNUstep window manager, are
> features needed actually to support plain X11 applications.
Exactly. And this also brings the following question:
How do you expect gnustep to be usable with _any_ window manager out
there (at least partially)? Or it would only work with exactly one
highly adapted specifically written one?
The idea that we will only run a pure gnustep environment with only
gnustep apps is far from the true. There are plenty non-gnustep apps
that users won't throw away, and also developing their equivalent
gnsutep variants can take years. Even if there are equivalent gnustep
apps still the user may choose to use the others base on personal
reasons, habits and tastes.
And don't forget other apps also evolve while gnustep evolves. gnustep
have a lot of work to do to reach them from behind (to be able to
provide features that they already provide) and that means more time and
developers that it has, because other apps also don't just stand and
wait.
Just look at wine: they're always steps behind of the real thing. Same
with gimp versus photoshop. And they have enough developers.
So I don't think that a pure gnustep, providing all imaginable apps is a
reasonable idea and people will always use other apps to.
>
> I'm wondering if it would not be better to move these features into a
> generic wrapper GNUstep application that would interface and integrate
> the X11 applications and the GNUstep environment, independly of the
> window manager.
I'm not sure if that would be the best way. It will work, but in my
opinion the problem gnustep has now is that is uses too many layers of
abstraction up to the real hardware. This makes it to be too slow.
Just compare how the old NeXT system run on a @25MHz machine, and how
does gnustep run on modern Pentium@300MHz machines.
--
Dan
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), (continued)
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), ]d, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Nicola Pero, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Nicola Pero, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Helge Hess, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), ]d, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Pascal J. Bourguignon, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), David Wetzel, 2001/01/07
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea),
Dan Pascu <=
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Enrico Sersale, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Enrico Sersale, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Enrico Sersale, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Philippe C . D . Robert, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), gnustep, 2001/01/06
- Re: GNUstep Window Manager (was RE: Idea), Adam Fedor, 2001/01/07
RE: Idea, Dan Pascu, 2001/01/05
Re: Idea, vinny, 2001/01/06