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Re: Denemo tutorials


From: jim
Subject: Re: Denemo tutorials
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:56:01 -0700
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I am interested in working with others to
develop Denemo tutorials. My background
includes nearly ten years of technical
writing, another nearly ten years of
teaching programming, as well as a life
time of playing music.
jim@well.com


On 3/26/21 5:58 AM, Richard Shann wrote:
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 12:13 +0000, fmaurer wrote:
Hi there!
Are there ant detailed tutorials available for Denemo?
Sadly no ...
The tutorials seem to jump from basic note input to 
SATB choir on two staffs
Create the parts one to a staff using the Voice Preset commands
(Staffs/Voices->Voices menu)
Then use the Staff Groupings to set Choir staff start and end.
(no longer needed is join the staffs with Join Voices before
printing, that just affects the display
You can edit two voices on one staff, but it is best to use Split
Staffs first.)
Note there a template for this (see Open -> Templates), and in Open
-> Example there is a file showing how to typeset lyrics above an
below the staffs for the four parts.



without showing what actually needs to be done and how it should look
like.
For example what does "Create the parts one to a staff" actually
mean?
Yes, that's pretty cryptic and several years out of date. I've just
updated it thus:

"Create one staff for each of the four parts using the Staffs->Add
Staff menu. Then make the second
and fourth staffs typeset as voices using the the Staffs->Voices->Staff 
to Voice command.
Then use the Voice Preset commands (Staffs/Voices->Voices menu) to set
the stem directions for each voice.
Use the Staffs/Voices->Staff Groupings menu to set Choir staff brace
start on the first staff and end brace on the last.
Note there a template for this (see Open -> Standard Template), and in
Open -> Example there is a file showing how to typeset lyrics above an
below the staffs for the four parts."

And I see that the template referred to is actually missing - I've
added it now (and I attach it here in case it is your particular use-
case).

It is very hard to follow something if you don't know what the actual
output is supposed to be!
yes - the assumption there is that someone reading "SATB on two staffs"
would have a picture in their mind of two staffs one with the soprano
and alto parts and the other with the tenor and bass. Even so, reading
the section "Some Terminology" at the start of the manual (F1 key in
Denemo) would be required to make sense of the instructions - the use
of "staff" and "voice" is not obvious.

On the plus side, asking on this mailing list about how to do things is
profitable, and user-contributed tutorials would be most welcome :)

Best wishes,

Richard






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