Re: [Denemo-devel] Cadenza/hide time signature questions

[Richard Shann]

On Sun, 2016-10-02 at 10:17 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> this could be true...I don't recall if I tried putting the cursor on the 
> first 
> note or the first rest of the bar.
It would make no difference if it was on a note or a rest

>  I do know that having the cursor near the 
> time signature did not work.

Having the Denemo Cursor "near" a time signature is not possible, it is
always on something, or in the appending position. The Denemo Display of
the cursor is not always that brilliant, so check the status bar at the
bottom of the main window for the definitive account of what object the
cursor is on, and whether it is in the appending position. (When it is
in the appending position, it is on the last object, but is drawn in the
display after the last object - some commands behave differently
depending on whether the cursor is in appending position or not).

If you can reproduce your problem - a situation where you believe the
cursor to be on a note or rest yet the hide time signature command
affects a nearby time signature then take a screenshot and post that.

Richard


> 
> On Sunday, October 2, 2016 6:00:00 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-10-02 at 09:53 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > I did try that a number of different ways. I tried moving my cursor
> > > around the staff in different ways,
> > 
> > I just tested this. I created a passage with a couple of (Denemo) bars
> > with cadenza time put the cursor on one of the notes, then executed 
> the
> > hide timesignature command and it operated on the initial 
> timesignature.
> > 
> > My guess is that perhaps you are being deceived by the circular blue
> > pointer mark which appears on the object at the mouse position. You 
> have
> > to click so that the rectangular Denemo cursor is on a note - check by
> > looking at the status bar at the bottom, it should say Note not Time
> > Signature Change.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > >  but the 'U' symbol (hide) would only
> > > 
> > > appear underneath the 'T' symbol (Cadenza). No matter what I did, I
> > > couldn't get it under the 4/4 time signature until I first deleted the
> > > Cadenza time.
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, October 2, 2016 5:41:04 PM PDT Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2016-10-02 at 09:42 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > oops, it should read:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I deleted every staff's Cadenza time in Notes/Rests->Delete 
> Object,
> > > > 
> > > > there was no need for this step (I believe), as the command to hide 
> the
> > > > time signature will operate on the initial time signature provided 
> that
> > > > the cursor is not on a time signature change object. So just move 
> the
> > > > cursor onto a note and then invoke the Hide time signature 
> command.
> > > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > > then used Time Signatures->Print (Hide) for every staff's Time
> > > 
> > > Signature,
> > > 
> > > > > then started Time Signatures->Start Cadenza Time
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:38:15 AM PDT Donald J. Stewart 
> wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Richard, it did work, although I had to first delete the
> > > 
> > > Cadenza
> > > 
> > > > > > time next to the time signature, otherwise Print (Hide) would try 
> to
> > > > > > hide
> > > > > > the cadenza and not the original time signature.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In other words,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I deleted every staff's Cadenza time in Notes/Rests->Delete 
> Object,
> > > > > > then used Time Signatures->Print (Hide) for every staff's 
> Cadenza,
> > > > > > then started Time Signatures->Start Cadenza Time
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Sunday, October 2, 2016 9:02:15 AM PDT Richard Shann 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-10-01 at 18:14 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm using Cadenza time to create an untimed chant at the
> > > 
> > > opening
> > > 
> > > > > of
> > > > > 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > piece.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Start Cadenza and End Cadenza seems to work just fine for 
> me.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I just don't know how to hide the original time signature, so
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > signature is shown in the opening...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The time signature is hidden using this command:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Command: (Print) Hide
> > > > > > > On printing, omit the time signature change at the cursor, or 
> the
> > > > > > > initial time signature if the cursor is not on a time signature
> > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > Location: ObjectMenu->TimeSig
> > > > > > > Internal Name: HideTimesig
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > However, until 23rd Sept there was this bug:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?49164
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > which, as explained there, meant you would not see the hiding 
> in
> > > 
> > > the
> > > 
> > > > > > > Print View until without some workaround (e.g. save and 
> reload
> > > 
> > > file).
> > > 
> > > > > > > I think you have a version that was built after 23rd Sept, in
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > it should be working. Please report if it is not. (I just checked
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > all seems well).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > 
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