Re: [Denemo-devel] tablature status (August 2012)

[Jeremiah Benham]

On 08/18/2012 04:18 PM, Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-08-18 at 09:46 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
> > Things seem extremely broken in gub fur the static linux build.
> I didn't realize you were thinking of something that ambitious -
> building for linux with gub.
> What I had in mind was to build a static binary version of denemo, (so
> the libraries like gtk, libevince ... would all be statically linked to
> the denemo executable), while the user would have to install LilyPond
> themselves.
> I imagined you doing this by creating a new target in the Makefile with
> the link line using -Bstatic (working from memory of 10 years ago) to
> get a statically linked binary. I imagine something may need to be done

I have been trying this. Unfortunately, I have tried with -static and 
-Bstatic but each time `ldd denemo` returns a huge list of dynamically 
linked libraries. I read somewhere online that the library linked needs 
to be statically compiled itself in order to statically link it. So I 
think we need to use something like gub in order to make that possible 
unless I create a Linux from scratch kind of think that only contains 
statically libraries.

Jeremiah


> for Denemo to find the actions directory, the scheme initialization
> modules etc, I guess that's what binreloc is for. But the result should
> be something anyone with the same i386 based GNU/Linux machine could
> just put the files under their home directory and be able to run it
> without having root permissions.
>
> Richard
>
> > Evince required a version of glibc that requires a linux kernal header upgrade. 
> > Glibc also requires glibc-core  this package I think is derived from old glibc 
> > and is hosted on lilyponds website. Unfortunately, this glibc-core only seemed 
> > to work with the old glibc. So it seems like a mess.
> >
> > I can create another windows build in a few days.
> >
> > I have created a fork of gub on github so that otherscan reproduce the results 
> > of tge windows build. It might be missing a file or two but am not sure what is 
> > missing.
> >
> > Jeremiah
> >
> > Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > How are things going with the static linux thing? I have fixed the
> > > outstanding issues for Windows binary (AFAIK) so we are looking good for
> > > a release.
> > > Richard
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:10 -0500, Jeremiah Benham wrote:
> > > > The windows git snapshot works perfectly in wine. I can work toward creating a 
> > > > static linux version in the next few days.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremiah
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
> > > >
> > > > Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 18:05 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> > > > > > Il 07/08/2012 17:34, Richard Shann ha scritto:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:09 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Denemo developers,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I wonder what's the status of tablature support in Denemo.
> > > > > > > > Every now and then I try Denemo to check it but...as I've never used it,
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm using Denemo 0.9.2 on Debian testing.
> > > > > > > > I can see that I can input the music in a Staff and choose TabStaff as
> > > > > > > > output. The PDF will contain only the TabStaff.
> > > > > > > > I don't know if this is a new feature or just the fact that I'm using
> > > > > > > > the lilypond mode.
> > > > > > > It's been in there for a while - 0.9.4 is pretty out of date - we have
> > > > > > > 0.9.6 ready. It tells LilyPond do print the staff as tab. If you want
> > > > > > > both the straightforward thing to do is to duplicate the staff I guess.
> > > > > > > That would be a bit crude though - if you edited one the other would
> > > > > > > need re-creating.
> > > > > > No, too crude :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the upcoming release you could have a layout that printed the same
> > > > > > > music on two staffs one as tab the other as normal staff notation. (This
> > > > > > > is actually possible in 0.9.4 but you have to know LilyPond and create a
> > > > > > > custom scoreblock to do it in the View->LilyPond window - the score
> > > > > > > layout feature of 0.9.6 avoids you having to know the LilyPond to do
> > > > > > > this).
> > > > > > LilyPond is not a problem (actually I love LilyPond "interface" and I'm
> > > > > > trying some frontend only for teaching purposes, as LilyPond is too
> > > > > > geeky for most of people).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good to know that 0.9.4 would support it somehow.
> > > > > hmm, I see I gave the impression this was new in 0.9.4, but actually you
> > > > > can do this sort of thing in versions going back much further. What is
> > > > > new in 0.9.6 is that you can have several different score layouts kept
> > > > > with your music, which don't need updating when you correct the music.
> > > > > And you can create many sorts of layouts without getting geeky with
> > > > > LilyPond.
> > > > > > My problem now is that I cannot compile Denemo without breaking other
> > > > > > programs.
> > > > > > I decided not to use 'apt-get build-dep denemo' because it wanted to
> > > > > > replace jack2 with jack. And I use some programs which depend on jack2:
> > > > > > ardour and stretchplayer, for example.
> > > > > > So I tried installing dependencies one by one, following the warnings of
> > > > > > configure. And I had to stop when installing libfluidsynth-dev, because
> > > > > > again it wanted to replace jack2 with jack.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm stuck here.
> > > > > > Unfortunately even Debian sid doesn't have 0.9.4 yet:
> > > > > I think that is probably my fault for not alerting the Debian packager
> > > > > about 0.9.4, partly because I knew 0.9.6 was coming hot on its heels.
> > > > > It sounds like this dependency problem is one between fluidsynth and
> > > > > jack? Not one we can do anything about in Denemo? I wonder if we should
> > > > > create a statically linked binary for GNU/Linux that people could try
> > > > > out, or use until the distros catch up... As it stands, folk running
> > > > > Windows are better off than those on GNU/Linux, which is bad for free
> > > > > software.
> > > > > If knowledgeable folk are listening in, please feel free to advise!
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=denemo&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Obviously I'm looking for the normal workflow, such as in Tuxguitar and
> > > > > > > > in lilypond: you write the music in the Staff and you see the notes
> > > > > > > > (well, the numbers) appearing automatically also in TabStaff.
> > > > > > > If you are thinking about what you see as you enter the music (rather
> > > > > > > than what is printed) then no, Denemo has no routines to display tab.
> > > > > > I see, I guessed it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You would enter notes and Denemo would print the same notes on two
> > > > > > > staffs one tab and one normal. Or you could have a layout where they
> > > > > > > were printed out one after the other as separate pieces of music, if
> > > > > > > that is what you wanted.
> > > > > > If 0.9.4 allows to enter music in one staff and make it appear in two
> > > > > > staves, it would be a good compromise. At least I could print
> > > > > > Staff+TabStaff, which is what I want.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately I can't test it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it possible in Denemo?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS Link to the old manual is broken:
> > > > > > > > http://denemo.org/Manual
> > > > > > > hmm, where is the link? With the upcoming release you get tooltips
> > > > > > > almost everywhere... and the possibility of translating Denemo.
> > > > > > I mean, this page doesn't work:
> > > > > > http://old.denemo.org/doc/denemo-manual.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tooltips are a good solution, sometimes they can almost replace
> > > > > > Documentation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
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