Re: [Denemo-devel] Hello and Re: Lute version of pavan

[Richard Shann]

Thanks for sorting this out - only the one note was involved and with
that fixed I have added this version (apparently it comes from Testudo
Gallo-Germanica (Nürnberg, 1615)) as an appendix. This leaves only the
version in the Cambridge Library transcribed by Sarge Gerbode which
frustratingly I cannot convert properly from the midi - neither midi2ly
nor Denemo's midi import can make sense of the midi file. The pdf of the
tablature looks fine, but the source for that is fronimo which I don't
have.
If anyone can help with this version I will add this to score to make a
definitive edition.

Richard



On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 21:46 +0100, Edgar Aichinger wrote: 
> Hello Richard and list,
> 
> > I attach a pdf of the Pavana Dolorosa extracted from the tablature
> > transcribed by G. Furhmann
> > It seems that (some of?) the low string(s) are not tuned as expected,
> > since low D appears in C chords (etc.?).
> 
> Oh, I didn't even listen to the generated midi.
> 
> I haven't checked the Fuhrmann book for evidence but I think it was quite
> common to use different tunings for the diapasons, or ask for lutes with 
> different bass configuration, even in the same book! I think the player 
> simply was expected to be able to cope with what was written, and which
> instrument he had at hands. And, from my experience, you get used to that 
> and develop a sense to memorize quickly which pitch a symbol means, and 
> can adapt, even when sight-reading.
> 
> The standard tuning for extended basses on a lute in G would be:
> 
>                   7th (a)   8th (/a)   9th (//a)  10th (///a)
>  7-course lute      D
>  8-course lute      F         D
> 10-course lute      F         E          D          C
> 
> But obviously in this piece //a means C.
> 
> (BTW, Jeremiah, those lutes had the additional strings all over the 
> fretboard, 
> at the same scale, and quite many pieces from around 1600 require stopped 
> bourdons. This Fuhrmann setting of the Pavana Dolorosa asks for a, /a, /c and 
> //a, which seems to imply a 9-course instrument...
> 
> 
> > Can anyone throw any light on this? Specifically the step from tab to
> > lilypond must involve some specification of the tuning - who provides
> > this?
> 
> There was no step from tab to lilypond - I loaded the Fuhrman.jtb source file
> into the windows program Django, and after some trickery was able to export 
> the midifile even with the demo version. I think at this step the 
> misinterpretation happened, and I don't know Django well enough (it's a 
> complex
> program with lots of toolbars full of icons, windows style, I find it horribly
> confusing) to know if it can manage different bass tunings within one file 
> (which can contain many pieces).
> 
> Then I imported this midifile to Rosegarden, printed the score preview to the 
> PDF I sent to you, and also exported to lilypond from there. I think I spent 
> less than 1/2 hour on this, including installing the Django demo, so there was
> no error-checking whatsoever ;)
> 
> > I will check in some extra Denemo goodies that I used to create this
> > from the .ly file that Edgar sent me (unfortunately, no progress on
> > lilypond import itself, it falls over on easy to skip things, like
> > tenuto markings and slurs...)
> 
> > Richard
> 
> Edgar
> 
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