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Re: [Chicken-users] FWIW - real numbers for -Os vs. -O3 on a Mac G4


From: Brandon J. Van Every
Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] FWIW - real numbers for -Os vs. -O3 on a Mac G4
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:17:13 -0700
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Kon Lovett wrote:
Hi,

Attached are Chicken benchmark results for a -Os & a -O3 build of the same Chicken source.

Well, YMMV seems to be the overall picture for the benchmarks. The reduction in binary size is ~10%.

Apple's XCode, their buildtool, uses -Os as the default release optimization flag, & they should know :-).


They should know what?  Your benchmarks indicate that -O3 is a hair faster than -Os.  As you said above, the -Os binaries are a hair smaller.  What do people value, things being a hair faster or a hair smaller?  I do know that 10% size reductions don't sell anything, whereas little improvements in performance can edge out competitors in Shootout benchmarks.

There is of course the entire matrix of all versions of GCC on all OSes and all CPUs with all the various possible compiler flags.  Are there any portions of that search space that show significant differences?  I'm not going to get into it, it's a lot of work.  I learned back at DEC that you have to spend most of your time coding, not benchmarking.  All an optimization jock ever does is develop heuristics about what really improves the speed of code, and then occasionally check that his assumptions are valid.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every





./csc benchmarks/cscbench.scm -o benchmarks/cscbench -compiler ./chicken cd benchmarks; ./cscbench ___| | _) | | __ \ | __| | / _ \ __ \ | | | | | ( < __/ | | \____|_| |_|_|\___|_|\_\\___|_| _| Version 2, Build 429 - macosx-unix-gnu-ppc - [ libffi dload ptables applyhook ] (c)2000-2006 Felix L. Winkelmann CC: Using built-in specs. Target: powerpc-apple-darwin8 Configured with: /private/var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5363.obj~28/src/configure --disable-checking -enable-werror --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.0/ --with-gxx-include-dir=/include/c++/4.0.0 --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=powerpc-apple-darwin8 --host=powerpc-apple-darwin8 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin8 Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363) CFLAGS: -DHAVE_CHICKEN_CONFIG_H -Os -mcpu=7450 -mtune=G4 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -DHAVE_ALLOCA_H -DC_ENABLE_PTABLES -no-cpp-precomp -DC_NO_PIC_NO_DLL base unsafe max boyer 0.276 0.180 0.189 browse 0.284 0.201 0.194 conform 0.554 0.250 0.239 cpstak 1.494 1.246 0.844 ctak 0.932 0.787 0.755 dderiv 0.475 0.372 0.343 deriv 0.373 0.302 0.281 destructive 0.482 0.446 0.235 div-iter 0.121 0.083 0.008 div-rec 0.301 0.172 0.175 dynamic 0.343 0.024 0.232 earley 0.068 0.068 0.052 fft 0.120 0.116 fib 0.814 0.065 0.104 fibc 10.052 6.067 4.166 fprint 0.005 0.005 0.005 fread 0.025 0.024 0.023 hanoi 2.148 1.997 0.405 lattice 27.379 20.294 20.092 maze 0.713 0.416 nqueens 0.011 0.009 0.004 puzzle 0.252 0.199 0.136 scheme 0.081 0.005 0.046 tak 1.504 1.028 0.239 takl 0.849 0.181 0.181 takr 2.802 1.766 1.389 traverse 1.715 0.814 0.843 travinit 0.247 0.192 0.067 triangl 3.215 2.258 2.046 -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 1487092 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/bin/chicken* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 42164 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/bin/chicken-profile* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 401748 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/bin/chicken-setup* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 3325776 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/bin/chicken-static* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 2677716 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.0.0.0.dylib* lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 22 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.0.dylib@ -> libchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rw-r--r-- 1 klovett admin 4225368 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.a lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 22 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.dylib@ -> libchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 879 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.la* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 2373856 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib* lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 23 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.0.dylib@ -> libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rw-r--r-- 1 klovett admin 3699712 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.a lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 23 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.dylib@ -> libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 886 Sep 7 07:08 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.la*





./csc benchmarks/cscbench.scm -o benchmarks/cscbench -compiler ./chicken cd benchmarks; ./cscbench ___| | _) | | __ \ | __| | / _ \ __ \ | | | | | ( < __/ | | \____|_| |_|_|\___|_|\_\\___|_| _| Version 2, Build 429 - macosx-unix-gnu-ppc - [ libffi dload ptables applyhook ] (c)2000-2006 Felix L. Winkelmann CC: Using built-in specs. Target: powerpc-apple-darwin8 Configured with: /private/var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5363.obj~28/src/configure --disable-checking -enable-werror --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man --enable-languages=c,objc,c++,obj-c++ --program-transform-name=/^[cg][^.-]*$/s/$/-4.0/ --with-gxx-include-dir=/include/c++/4.0.0 --with-slibdir=/usr/lib --build=powerpc-apple-darwin8 --host=powerpc-apple-darwin8 --target=powerpc-apple-darwin8 Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5363) CFLAGS: -DHAVE_CHICKEN_CONFIG_H -O3 -mcpu=7450 -mtune=G4 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-uninitialized -DHAVE_ALLOCA_H -DC_ENABLE_PTABLES -no-cpp-precomp -DC_NO_PIC_NO_DLL base unsafe max boyer 0.261 0.181 0.176 browse 0.257 0.188 0.188 conform 0.053 0.223 0.246 cpstak 1.445 1.266 0.859 ctak 0.894 0.787 0.757 dderiv 0.463 0.332 0.359 deriv 0.336 0.268 0.252 destructive 0.480 0.444 0.242 div-iter 0.122 0.081 0.082 div-rec 0.289 0.179 0.177 dynamic 0.324 0.241 0.230 earley 0.072 0.060 0.053 fft 0.119 0.111 fib 0.819 0.635 0.104 fibc 9.536 6.176 4.199 fprint 0.005 0.004 0.005 fread 0.025 0.023 0.022 hanoi 2.154 2.016 0.405 lattice 26.856 20.028 20.278 maze 0.654 0.408 nqueens 0.011 0.009 0.004 puzzle 0.254 0.196 0.131 scheme 0.075 0.052 0.047 tak 1.465 1.247 0.238 takl 0.771 0.180 0.018 takr 2.753 1.728 1.395 traverse 1.631 0.848 0.859 travinit 0.257 0.197 0.070 triangl 3.040 2.260 1.834 -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 1552628 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/bin/chicken* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 42164 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/bin/chicken-profile* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 414036 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/bin/chicken-setup* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 3559588 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/bin/chicken-static* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 2891388 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.0.0.0.dylib* lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 22 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.0.dylib@ -> libchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rw-r--r-- 1 klovett admin 4581944 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.a lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 22 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.dylib@ -> libchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 879 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libchicken.la* -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 2602992 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib* lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 23 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.0.dylib@ -> libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rw-r--r-- 1 klovett admin 4087824 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.a lrwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 23 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.dylib@ -> libuchicken.0.0.0.dylib -rwxr-xr-x 1 klovett admin 886 Sep 4 08:03 /usr/local/lib/libuchicken.la*

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