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Re: PINE clone

From: Alain Magloire
Subject: Re: PINE clone
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:23:31 -0500 (EST)

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> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Jeff Bailey wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 23:14, address@hidden wrote:
> > >
> > > So, do you know of anything out there yet?
> >
> > Wow, I haven't thought about this project in ages.  The project, called
> > 'hydrant', is dormant but not forgotten.  The idea was to setup hydrant
> > as a collection of libraries on top of mailutils that provide MUA
> > functionality.  That way other MUAs could be trivially written and get
> > what they need.  So message composition would have all the hooks needed
> > for GPG signing, signatures, generating headers, etc.  Mailutils would
> > provide all of the MIME handling, mailbox and folding handling
> > (including pop3, imap4, maildir, mh, mbox).
> >
> > Mailutils exists today and is fully usable.
> >
> > Once you have all of those types of hooks, it should be possible to
> > completely rewrite pine in a couple of days, because the underlying
> > technology would just be pieces of a puzzle thrown together.
> >
> > Sergey and I talk about it occasionally, but I have to admit to being
> > more interested in the MTA side at the moment, and possibly a mailing
> > list manager.  I need both of these for some paying work, and
> > evolution's been a good enough MUA for me for a couple of years now.

Traitor 8-).

> >
> Hydrant sounds like the project I was looking for. I'll take a look at it
> and see if there's anything I can do.
> I'm probably going to keep wasting time on this pine in perl clone,
> because I'd like to get my hands dirty first, and flesh out what all
> structures there needs to be, and this is the fastest way I can do that.
> Besides, it's kinda fun, and results in something that may just be usable.
> I've attached a copy of what I have so far. I'd like to create a project
> page for it somewhere, but I'm putting it off for right now (what I have
> really needs completely restructured, and it's currently changing
> rapidly... I"ll put something up when it starts to stabalize a bit).
> Does MailUtils support imaps (IMAP over SSL) and pop3s (pop3 over SSL)? I
> wasn't able to determine that from the documentation.

Yes, the documentation is probably a little outdated.

> One of the reasons I started writing this, which has become a secondary
> issue now (primary being replace pine), is that I wanted to dump my mail
> into an sql database, and read it from within pine. Any idea how much work
> it'll be to add that to MailUtils (or if that patch would even be
> accepted)? I haven't done much with C, so I'm don't know what the dev time
> would look like. I could probably add support to Mail-Box perl module in 2
> or 3 hours, which will be good for prototyping at least, but in the end I
> want to have a nice clone written in C++.

C++ cool !!
That could be the spark I need to get back on track and work on Mailutils.
Been so busy lately...
In Perl ... NEVER.
One of the thing that mailutils is missing is a good MUA, mailx does not cut it.

I have some administratia to take care of, like I have no idea I to get to CVS
from savannal ... and lost my passwords.

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