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Re: [Bug-gnubg] How badly do we need something like the old Dueller ?

From: Massimiliano Maini
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] How badly do we need something like the old Dueller ?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:53:25 +0100

Thanks for the info Tony, it makes sense.

Personally, I think we could drop snowie in a potential new release of
Dueller: no
activity in a while and no support from the developpers, which makes Dueller job
harder. On top, gnubg is at least as strong as Snowie and for a much more
interesting price :)

It would be nice to have Dueller working with gnubg, bgblitz (these already OK
AFAIK) and mostly extreme gammon, the new king.


On 7 February 2012 17:14, Tony Lezard <address@hidden> wrote:
> That's precisely what Dueller already does now. The tricky part is that in 
> the case of programs like Snowie, where I haven't had any assistance from the 
> developers, it has to simulate a Snowiebot implementing DBSI by carefully 
> observing screen state and synthesising mouse/keyboard actions.
> The gnubg module currently uses that sort of interface (with the CLI version) 
> as well.
> Regards,
> Tony Lezard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Massimiliano Maini [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: 07 February 2012 15:03
> To: Frank Berger
> Cc: address@hidden; Tony Lezard
> Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] How badly do we need something like the old Dueller ?
> Hi Frank/Tony,
> if we were to redo the whole thing from scratch, wouldn't make more sense to 
> consider the bots just as evaluation engines and let the Dueller handle the 
> match ?
> I mean:
> - Dueller initializes the two bots: connection, play level, match/session 
> rules (crawford, met, jacoby, beaver etc).
> - Dueller sends each decision (move or cube decision) to the bot, getting the 
> answer. It will need to send the board, match score (for match play) and roll 
> (for checker play).
> So the dueller code could be slightly more involved (keep track of the 
> match/session, generate dice, etc), but the interface with the bots would be 
> much simpler.
> MaX.
> On 2 February 2012 23:34, Frank Berger <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> as promised:
>> here http://www.bgblitz.de/download/UBGI/DBSI%200.6.1.doc is a link that 
>> describes the interface between Tony Lezards Dueller and BGBlitz.
>> This can be used as a base to implement a "remote control" for bots.
>> To make it a little easier I put the BGBlitz code implementing the
>> interface here
>> http://www.bgblitz.de/download/UBGI/DBSI.zip
>> as an example which can be used freely. The most important classes are 
>> Server, SetState and Command.
>> I hope extreme Gammon will implement it and/or other bots like Palamedes. 
>> Maybe a new platform independent server will be implemented too.
>> Kudos to Tony for developing it and make it available.
>> ciao
>> Frank
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