Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: Cubeless Rollout Bug In New Build (Now fixed! )

[Joseph Heled]

Not al all. This is a good point, which I started thinking about only a 
1/2 a year ago. It's just that while people perception of SN 4.0 as the 
ultimate reference might be right, it can still be sub optimal on many 
positions. So is GNUbg.

-Joseph


Moore, Dave wrote:
> I'm a huge GnuBG fan.  It was just a not-so-profound thought that occured to
> me when I was thinking about the results.  I'm still a relative novice,
> especially on this list.  What might have seemed like "baiting" really
> wasn't.  I was just wrong.
>
> Sorry if I offended anybody.  
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Heled [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:53 PM
> Cc: Moore, Dave; gnubg
> Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: Cubeless Rollout Bug In New Build (Now
> fixed! )
>
>
>
> And one more thing. Would you be thinking the same about Snowie if it 
> turned out that SN rollouts were better? :)
>
> -Joseph
>
> Joseph Heled wrote:
>
> > Moore, Dave wrote:
> >
> >
> > > This is a pretty promising result!  Just to play Devil's advocate, 
> > > though, isn't it possible that this shows that GnuBG is perhaps worse 
> > > at defending against a backgame while being equally good at playing a 
> > > backgame?
> >
> > Neil choose this position because he thinks it represents a skill test 
> > for the backgame player only. I think this is mostly true. Some of us 
> > have looked at games played and I think no one saw big errors on the 
> > trapped side.
> >
> > Only a "multi bot" rollout will settle the issue, but it is a long time 
> > until SN becomes open source :)
> >
> > -Joseph
> >
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >    -----Original Message-----
> > >    *From:* address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden
> > >    *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2003 9:23 AM
> > >    *To:* address@hidden
> > >    *Subject:* [Bug-gnubg] Re: Cubeless Rollout Bug In New Build (Now
> > >    fixed!)
> > >
> > >    Hi
> > >    Just downloaded the new build from Nardy's site and checked the
> > >    backgame position I sent you  (137.sgf) that I was testing all the
> > >    bots with.
> > >    Here are the results at 0-ply. (32000 trials) Hey GNU is strongest!!
> > >
> > >    JF       0-Ply  -0.672 40.2/0.9/0.0---59.8/35.0/13.6
> > >    SW3.2 0-Ply       -0.669 40.4/1.0/0.0---59.6/35.7/13.0
> > >    SW4 0-Ply       -0.636 42.1/1.0/0.0---57.9/35.7/13.1
> > >    GNU       0-Ply  -0.582 43.5/0.9/0.0---56.4/34.7/11.5
> > >
> > >    I'm testing this position at higher plies now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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