Re: [Bug-gnubg] Tutor Mode/Hint question

[Hanley Hayes]

I think the idea of a 'Why' button would certainly meet my needs, and 
wouldn't require the caching strategies/work that have been mentioned.  I 
was expecting that upon close of the 'Why' window that it would immediately 
change to gnu's turn, but Nardy's requirement that I repick up the dice 
gives me the option of 'undo-ing' (I admit that I do cheat occasionally :-) 
), if I desire to do so.

If people object to having both 'Tutor mode' and 'Hint' available but with 
slightly different functionality, another thought would be to add an 
additional checkbox related to Tutor mode, perhaps 'view hints only' which, 
if checked would give you the 'Why' dialog, otherwise the normal 'Hint' 
dialog.  Then you could make closing the Why dialog immediately pass control 
to gnu's turn.  I'd call this the 'peek, but no cheat' feature :-).  In a 
sense this is for my own self-control in that it allows me to feel that my 
gnubg rating was not fudged.

-hanley


> From: "Nardy Pillards" <address@hidden>
> To: "Joern Thyssen" <address@hidden>, "Hanley Hayes" <address@hidden>
> CC: <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Tutor Mode/Hint question
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:40:12 +0100
>
> From: "Joern Thyssen" <address@hidden>
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:31 PM
>
>
> > On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:04:00PM -0500, Hanley Hayes wrote
> > > Since there has been a lot discussion about 'Hint' lately, I wanted to
> see
> > > if I could get my 'issue' resolved.
> > >
> > > 1)Tutor mode on
> > > 2)I roll and move my checkers and click the dice to end my move.
> > > 3) gnubd pops up dialog "You may be about to play a bad move".
> > > 4) I select "Hint" from the dialog to see just how bad my move is.
> > > 5) Hint dialog pops up.  I see I'm the xth best move, but I don't 
> really
> > > care for the moves that preceed this in Hint dialog.  I really just
> wanted
> > > to see how God-awful my choice was (remember, I'm trying to learn 
> here,
> not
> > > necessarily use the hint to cheat!)
> > > 6) I select "Ok" and both the Hint dialog AND the "You may be about to
> play
> > > a bad move dialog" are removed.
> > > 7) I still want to make my same move.  To do so, I must once again,
> click
> > > on my dice, wait for the "You may be about to play a bad move" dialog
> and,
> > > this time select "Play Anyway".
> > >
> > > What I would like to see is in step 6) above, after selecting "OK" I
> return
> > > to the "You may be about to play a bad move" dialog, whereby I could
> then
> > > select "Play Anyway".  This would save me from a) having to click on 
> my
> > > dice a second time, and
> >
> > The decision whether to show or destroy the tutor dialog depends on
> > whether you want to "cheat" or not after pressing "hint"!
> >
> > Any comments on this from the mailing list readers?
> > Jørn
>
> My 2 cents:
> Change 'Hint' button in the tutor window to 'Why?'
> Clicking 'Why?' opens Hint window (but titled 'Why?') with only 'Show'
> button active.
> (yes, it limits the possibility of further analysis. yet i think 'tutor
> mode' is just what it says: tutor mode. and 'Hint' will still be there with
> all its features, but seperated from Tutor)
>
> This way, the user can look at the evalutated moves, but can't change the
> move he/she made. So GNU Bg knows that (once the Why window is closed) no
> need to re-engage Tutor.
>
> The user on the other hand (after clicking OK in Why window) can either 
> undo
> his/her move or pass the dice (and does not have to wait this time).
>
>
> [snipped]
>
> Nardy

_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* 
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus