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Re: [Bug-gnubg] blowfish dll vs gnubg


From: Joern Thyssen
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] blowfish dll vs gnubg
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:21:39 +0000
User-agent: Mutt/1.4i

On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 10:35:19PM -0700, maareyes wrote
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I recently played this 9 pt match using the offline gnubg player on my
> FIBS client 3DFiBs. It is using gnubg.dll from Mike Rudman's Blowfish
> program. It was set at 1 ply for checker play and 0-ply cube action
> and the default settings of 8 candidates, .160 tolerance and no noise. 
> 
> I analyzed the match with the current GnuBG for Windows from Oystein's
> site with the same settings of 1 ply and it flagged very many errors
> for the bot and give it a beginner rating. (this is unusual because it
> consistantly rates ET or world class)
> 
> I ran the analysis again with 2 ply and the bot is now rated world
> class
> 
> I found this to be rather confusing. How can a player using Blowfish
> DLL (based on gnubg) at 1 ply make moves that 1 ply analyzer does not
> agree with but 2 ply rates world Class.
> 
> 
> I am using pretty much all default settings 8 candidates, .160
> tolerance.. no noise
> 
> 
> I still trust the anlayzer more than the Blowfish dll since it has
> made many errors that were obvious and that the analyzer flagged but
> in this case, 2 ply seems to agree with Blowfish dll. Is this just an
> isolated freak case?
> 
> Anyway,, they are all ET or close most of the time so for any
> practical applications, they are just fine.. just wondering what
> happened here.. thats all
> 

It looks a bit fishy...

I also did an analysis on 0-ply, 1-ply, and 2-ply, and the actual play
didn't match any of those. Do you know which version of eval.c that is
used in the DLL?

If I analyse the attached match on 0-ply I get:

                                      GnuBG                You                 
Moves unmarked                        119                  127                 
Moves marked doubtful                 6                    0                   
Moves marked bad                      4                    2                   
Moves marked very bad                 1                    0                   
Error rate (total)                    -1.649 (-31.725%)    -0.462 (-4.903%)    
Error rate (pr. move)                 -0.015 (-0.281%)     -0.007 (-0.073%)    
Checker play rating                   Expert               World class         
Total cube decisions                  58                   93                  
Actual or close cube decisions        25                   56                  
Doubles                               3                    4                   
Takes                                 3                    3                   
Pass                                  0                    0                   
Missed doubles around DP              0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  4 (-0.213, -5.003%) 
Missed doubles around TG              0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  1 (-0.003, -0.096%) 
Wrong doubles around DP               1 (-0.119, -1.293%)  1 (-0.055, -1.551%) 
Wrong doubles around TG               0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong takes                           0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong passes                          0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Error rate (total)                    -0.119 (-1.293%)     -0.272 (-6.651%)    
Error rate (per cube decision)        -0.005 (-0.052%)     -0.005 (-0.119%)    
Cube decision rating                  Extra-terrestrial
Extra-terrestrial   

On 1-ply I get:
                                      GnuBG                You                 
Moves unmarked                        100                  123                 
Moves marked doubtful                 10                   4                   
Moves marked bad                      9                    1                   
Moves marked very bad                 11                   1                   
Error rate (total)                    -4.264 (-98.272%)    -0.815 (-11.318%)   
Error rate (pr. move)                 -0.038 (-0.870%)     -0.012 (-0.169%)    
Checker play rating                   Beginner             Expert              
Total cube decisions                  58                   93                  
Actual or close cube decisions        26                   39                  
Doubles                               3                    4                   
Takes                                 3                    3                   
Pass                                  0                    0                   
Missed doubles around DP              2 (-0.041, -0.366%)  1 (-0.220, -4.993%) 
Missed doubles around TG              0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong doubles around DP               1 (-0.222, -2.410%)  1 (-0.090, -2.529%) 
Wrong doubles around TG               0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong takes                           0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong passes                          0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Error rate (total)                    -0.263 (-2.776%)     -0.310 (-7.522%)    
Error rate (per cube decision)        -0.010 (-0.107%)     -0.008 (-0.193%)    
Cube decision rating                  Expert               World class         

On 2-ply:

                                      GnuBG                You                 
Moves unmarked                        124                  125                 
Moves marked doubtful                 4                    3                   
Moves marked bad                      0                    0                   
Moves marked very bad                 2                    1                   
Error rate (total)                    -0.943 (-18.398%)    -0.648 (-8.851%)    
Error rate (pr. move)                 -0.008 (-0.163%)     -0.010 (-0.132%)    
Checker play rating                   World class          World class         

Total cube decisions                  58                   93                  
Actual or close cube decisions        25                   55                  
Doubles                               3                    4                   
Takes                                 3                    3                   
Pass                                  0                    0                   
Missed doubles around DP              0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  2 (-0.243, -5.528%) 
Missed doubles around TG              0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong doubles around DP               1 (-0.197, -2.132%)  2 (-0.073, -1.613%) 
Wrong doubles around TG               0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong takes                           0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Wrong passes                          0 (-0.000, -0.000%)  0 (-0.000, -0.000%) 
Error rate (total)                    -0.197 (-2.132%)     -0.316 (-7.140%)    
Error rate (per cube decision)        -0.008 (-0.085%)     -0.006 (-0.130%)    
Cube decision rating                  World class          World class         



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Joern Thyssen, PhD
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