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bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs
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Drew Adams |
Subject: |
bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index" |
Date: |
Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:46:25 -0800 (PST) |
> I suppose you’re saying that exactly two ‘inclusivities’ suffice: ‘up
> to/until’ and 'through' in your case, which makes complete sense.
I wasn't speaking to what might suffice. I was just
pointing out that we use `up-to' for zapping and `until' for searching - and we
mean the same thing by them. And I mentioned `through' as a possible name for
including the final char.
> I have found that both 'up to' and 'until' are still ambiguous, for instance
> when trying to agree on a date with someone. This ambiguity might carry over
> to the Emacs world, where a user might not know that there is another
> distinct inclusivity called 'through'. 'up to' and 'until' can mean either
> 'inclusive' or 'exclusive', this seemingly depending on the phase of the
> Moon. I still use the words 'inclusive' and 'exclusive' to confirm. I hope
> that at least programmers don't find that silly. Of course, there is an
> existing precedent of 'up to', 'until', 'through' and 'to'.
Yes, the terms are ambiguous. If we use consistent
names and the doc is clear then I don't think there's
a problem in practice. But yes, in conversation,
and particularly with dates/times, people can need
to discuss a bit to be sure to be on the same page.
> Regardless of the naming, wouldn’t an inclusivity modifier over the set of
> two inclusivities be a nice thing to have?
No idea. Modifier where? Here we're talking about
function names. I don't think we need to or should
add such a thing to the names.
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", (continued)
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Eli Zaretskii, 2019/11/26
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/26
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Eli Zaretskii, 2019/11/26
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Drew Adams, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Drew Adams, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Drew Adams, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index",
Drew Adams <=
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Justin Paston-Cooper, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Phil Sainty, 2019/11/27
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2019/11/28
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Stefan Kangas, 2019/11/29
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Eli Zaretskii, 2019/11/29
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Stefan Kangas, 2019/11/28
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Drew Adams, 2019/11/28
- bug#38392: zap-up-to-char should appear in "Deletion and Killing" Emacs info section and "Command Index", Eli Zaretskii, 2019/11/27