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bug#27674: 26.0.50; cl-progv: strange scoping due to implementation


From: npostavs
Subject: bug#27674: 26.0.50; cl-progv: strange scoping due to implementation
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:41:12 -0400
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2.50 (gnu/linux)

tags 27674 notabug wontfix
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Michael Heerdegen <address@hidden> writes:

> address@hidden writes:
>
>> > Why does the lambda still refer to the lexical binding?
>>
>> Maybe it would be more obvious if we wrote it like this:
>>
>>     (let ((x 0))
>>       (cl-progv (list (intern (read-string "Enter var: "))) (list 1)
>>         (funcall (lambda () x))))
>>
>> Clearly the inner x must refer to the lexical let-binding, right?  Even
>> if the user happens to enter `x' at the prompt this remains true.
>
> Not an argument per se, because with lexical binding mode off, you can
> surely do that.

Of course, if `x' is a dynamic variable (e.g., if you use (defvar x) or
you don't have lexical binding enabled) then the inner x refers to the
dynamic binding (again, regardless of what the user enters at the
prompt).

>> > Does a lexical binding always beat a dynamical one?
>>
>> Yes, lexical analysis is performed first and then the names are thrown
>> away, so you can't even tell when the "same" variable has been
>> dynamically bound as well.
>
> Ok, this is the part I was clearly missing, thanks.  I'll have a look if
> the documentation tells something like this (it should be spelled out
> somewhere).

That explanation might be a little bit "infected" by my knowledge of how
the compiler implements lexical binding, the manual carefully talks only
in terms of the "evaluator":

       Here is how lexical binding works.  Each binding construct defines a
    "lexical environment", specifying the variables that are bound within
    the construct and their local values.  When the Lisp evaluator wants
    the current value of a variable, it looks first in the lexical environment. 
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





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